What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Xirean]

...and yet that's exactly what Venat chose to do. To inflict genocide upon her own people and seek to destroy all memory of their existence whilst stealing credit from Zodiark for protecting Etheirys not only in the days of the Unsundered but during the days of the Sundered as well.

It makes perfect sense for the Sundered to do whatever is possible in order to continue to exist - but at the same time that can be applied to the Unsundered as well.

Oh I'm not on the Venat boat. That stuffed made me very angry. Please don't confuse anti-rejoining with pro-Venat or anti-Ancients

Many people lol. Not in this thread specifically but the other threads trying to rip apart the ancients and find every little thing they did “wrong” to try and justify them being sundered and trying to justify venat’s actions. They think that because they unmade creations they’re horrible people. When in reality the sundered do far worse but none of them comment on that. That’s my entire problem with this. I understand the reasoning behind most of the sundered’s actions, the same i do the ancients. I don’t necessarily condemn either side. But if people are going to start bringing up things that the ancients do and are wrong for doing when the sundered do the same thing and no one comments on it or people don’t classify that as wrong..then i will speak up because like in the other thread i made, there’s this horrible trend in the story of “It’s okay when the main cast does it, but if the antagonists do it it’s bad and wrong.”

Edit: Just an example from someone here as proof.

"As much as I love the characters and the lore around it, I'm not convinced that Amaurot was worth saving. When Hermes describes his colleagues' blatant disregard for non-Amaurotian life yet had no language to express his dissent with it, I couldn't help but feel deeply uncomfortable with the wordless cruelty of whole place. It most certainly was not beautiful. It was high time that the gods learnt to walk."

Well that's messed up, but that doesn't mean that people who are anti-rejoining are anti-ancient or even pro-sundered. I'm anti-rejoining because I'm pro-"who is alive right now?"

[KizuyaKatogami]

Oh I'm not on the Venat boat. That stuffed made me very angry. Please don't confuse anti-rejoining with pro-Venat or anti-Ancients



Well that's messed up, but that doesn't mean that people who are anti-rejoining are anti-ancient or even pro-sundered. I'm anti-rejoining because I'm pro-"who is alive right now?"

Well tbf, the matter of alive is a bit muddy in 14's world. The ancients souls were very much alive in Zodiark, so they were still living. We basically rendered their entire race extinct though by killing Emet and Elidibus. Regardless of that though, i do find it strange the WoL and the scions have expressed 0 interest in trying to create a branching timeline for the ancients with the help of the crystal tower, especially since we are still able to go there for pandaemonium. It doesnt sit right with me that were basically going there and acting all smiles and sunshine when we're talking to people we know are doomed and are doing nothing to stop it.

[Xirean]

Well tbf, the matter of alive is a bit muddy in 14's world. The ancients souls were very much alive in Zodiark, so they were still living. We basically rendered their entire race extinct though by killing Emet and Elidibus. Regardless of that though, i do find it strange the WoL and the scions have expressed 0 interest in trying to create a branching timeline for the ancients with the help of the crystal tower, especially since we are still able to go there for pandaemonium. It doesnt sit right with me that were basically going there and acting all smiles and sunshine when we're talking to people we know are doomed and are doing nothing to stop it.

Agreed, I've said something similar in this thread actually. The fact that the time travel with multiple timelines exists in this story (thanks G'raha), but we don't try to do that in EW is very stupid. It comes off as the writers wanting the cake and eating the cake. I've long been of the opinion that Elpis would have been better served as ruins we visit and see things with Echo visions. Even the instance fight with Venat, the dungeon, and all of Pandaemonium could stay in the game, we are simply viewing the events as someone else's memories and we are in place of that person for the fights. It's very disingenuous to let us shake hands with a memory and not try to save it at the same time.