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  1. #2861
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    SherlottaEryut's Avatar
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    Katja Eruyt
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MellowMink View Post
    It’s weird that Square Enix didn’t just do both male and female Viera for Shadowbringers, and then male and female Hrothgar for Endwalker, or vice versa
    Gender counterparts were never on the table for female Viera and male Hrothgar, that's why they didn't do it this way. Female Viera, made sense considering in all of the ivalice games the male Viera have never been seen, but only spoken of. They only implemented male Hrothgar because... Well, other than the developers wanted them, I assume they just wanted to release a gender counterpart of some other sort and leave them as a 'pair' if you will.

    It's only because people started calling SE homophobic, sexist and all sorts that they caved in to the community outcry. There were even articles of it... No business wants to be marked as that.

    Overall, I'm quite surprised people are still asking about Female Hrothgar, considering this could result in an even slower process of updating male Hrothgar. I found this quote which I never thought of before, but this pretty much hints where a lot of their resources are going. It would also make sense why female Viera and male Hrothgar were ignored for 3 years, because majority of their design team were focused on male Viera? Just my guess.
    "I’m sure you all understand that a new race will require new faces, emotes, hairstyles, bodies, and other assets. In addition to this, they need to be capable of equipping all existing items—this alone requires a massive commitment of resources. Each race has a unique frame and body type, and so every piece of visible equipment needs to be carefully adjusted to display properly on Hrothgar and Viera models."
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    Last edited by SherlottaEryut; 04-28-2022 at 08:15 PM.
    Square Enix have extorted money from Viera and Hrothgar's limitations, but from the outside looking in it seems barely any of that money is invested back into the limited races. How much money have they made from players
    fantasia'ing to and from the limited races? We want more race-exclusive hair.
    We want them improved, and we want it done within a reasonable time.

  2. #2862
    Player FawkesWyznfarr's Avatar
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    Fawkes Wyznfarr
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    Goblin
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    SE wasn't so much as homophobic (lol) as they were viewed as lazy when they revealed malehroth and female buns. The devs are also hacks who'd rather spend more resources on "ancillary" systems like adventure plates than updating the engine. And I'm not talking about a graphic overhaul I mean taking apart the engine piece by piece and untangling all that goddamn rotten 1.0 spahgetti.
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  3. #2863
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    HisShadowX's Avatar
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    William Hart
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    Jenova
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    Samurai Lv 90
    More choices the better sadly I do not think the developers like the Ronso so much. Just look at the scary Karen hair styles they gave you all
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  4. #2864
    Player FawkesWyznfarr's Avatar
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    Fawkes Wyznfarr
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    That hrothgar with the 2B hair was so bad people thought it was an April Fool's joke.
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  5. #2865
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    Iyrnthota Sparrow
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    Quote Originally Posted by FawkesWyznfarr View Post
    SE wasn't so much as homophobic (lol) as they were viewed as lazy when they revealed malehroth and female buns. The devs are also hacks who'd rather spend more resources on "ancillary" systems like adventure plates than updating the engine. And I'm not talking about a graphic overhaul I mean taking apart the engine piece by piece and untangling all that goddamn rotten 1.0 spahgetti.
    Tech debt is no joke, and I bet this game has a metric ton of debt given the mess that was 1.0 and the rush job that was 2.0.
    I suspect they don't want to fix it cause looking at this game's source code is like looking at an eldrich horror.

    I would bet that any review of the code would conclude that starting from scratch would be a cheaper and more time efficient plan.
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  6. #2866
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    Allegor's Avatar
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    The devs were definitely called homophobic, transphobic, sexist, etc etc. People were absolutely rabbit () about it for a few months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  7. #2867
    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Harun Asubra
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    The devs were definitely called homophobic, transphobic, sexist, etc etc. People were absolutely rabbit () about it for a few months.
    They were. People on Reddit and Discord even had to tell those people to calm down. People just up and assumed that the exclusion of gender counterparts, particularly Male Viera, meant that the dev team didn't care about gay people and that the gender locking was trans-exclusive.
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  8. #2868
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    They were. People on Reddit and Discord even had to tell those people to calm down. People just up and assumed that the exclusion of gender counterparts, particularly Male Viera, meant that the dev team didn't care about gay people and that the gender locking was trans-exclusive.
    And simultaneously absolute, seething hatred toward Hrothgars and anyone who even dared mentioning they liked the idea of a furry/beast race. A lot of the flame calmed down after Yoshi P had to come forth and outright say 'no' to boyish looking Viera though, but it was....a glorious dumpster fire, to put it bluntly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  9. #2869
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    LisSquid's Avatar
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    Mother Kos
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    And simultaneously absolute, seething hatred toward Hrothgars and anyone who even dared mentioning they liked the idea of a furry/beast race. A lot of the flame calmed down after Yoshi P had to come forth and outright say 'no' to boyish looking Viera though, but it was....a glorious dumpster fire, to put it bluntly.
    I won't try to pretend I wasn't resentful over the male viera situation (no female hrothgar always hit me as more of an issue as we have actually seen female ronso). Won't pretend I didn't stoke the flames. People who went off about how you're either a bigot or a sexual predator for being on either side of the #Ideal male viera debate were wild, though.
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  10. #2870
    Player FawkesWyznfarr's Avatar
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    Fawkes Wyznfarr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    They were. People on Reddit and Discord even had to tell those people to calm down. People just up and assumed that the exclusion of gender counterparts, particularly Male Viera, meant that the dev team didn't care about gay people and that the gender locking was trans-exclusive.
    Lol. Probably the same kind of people who lose their mind once a gender locked outfit becomes available to all genders.
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