Platinum 4, 0 Stars, for 1 Week Straight Now. AMA

[Raistlin]

What a horrendous argument. If anything I should be better after all this time. And the people I'm up against are people who also manage to reach Platinum like me. They should be on par with me. At the very least my win ratios should not be 1%. That's not explainable by me somehow being too inept (despite being competent enough to hit Platinum in the first place, especially as a weaker job (MCH) ) . That's something else. If I was competent enough to hit Platinum I am competent enough to rank further. I did not suddenly get hit with the bad player stick as soon as I reached this level. I have described numerous instances of suspicious behavior from the enemy team, and teammates who are blatantly throwing or just bizarelly bad despite being in platinum. I did not experience these problems until platinum.

Your argument is probably the absolute worst I have heard so far.

It not an argument, is how it works.

Is that way in Dota2, Legue of Legends, Overwatch, etc.. You climb until by average you lose more than you win and then you stop climbing.

Thanks to not being able to de-rank, and the win streak, in the long run less skilled players will end climbing with time. That is translated into a boost causing the more skilled reach Crystal sooner, and late in the season, Platinum players, by average, will be less skilled than early in the season and therefore will be easier to climb.

This is an objective opinion based on how tier ranking system works in other games and how the small changes implemented by SE would affect what we already know. If you are not happy doesn't change the system have been proved by years and years of iteration in other games.

I am pretty sure a Silver player in League of Legends believe too that they should be Challenger rank and they only lose because others, is pretty common but statistics don't lie, on the long run, your skill will turn the balance of your winning rate from 50% to 55% or 45% and that small increase or decrease is what make you climb or getting stuck.

[Sindele]

Well, 1) because you should always be trying to win, but mostly 2) because every win you pull out of the trash is another shot at building a streak. Who cares if the chances are low or your team "doesn't deserve it"? You are not trying to win for other people, you are trying to win for yourself. Undercutting your chances of victory is undercutting your ability to rank up, full stop.

To be blunt, the rest tells me that you aren't really focusing on learning as much as you need to be. Getting destroyed through shield almost instantly "should" never happen, but there are a number of tools that make it quite plausible, especially if you're caught out alone and the enemy team has the luxury of taking a breath to synchronize correctly. You play MCH - you know there's over 50k Guard-bypassing damage on tap there in all of two button presses. There are several LBs that will drop shields on the spot, and a fully orchestrated team burst that burns cooldowns is more than enough to lock in a kill inside of a GCD, even on tank HP. Signaling the intent to do this to your team takes all of one macro. None of this is particularly suspicious: this is optimal play, and you will only see it more often from here. Learn what enables those kills, and learn how to mitigate or avoid them altogether. Sometimes the only answer is to have not been there in the first place.

[YukikoKurosawa]

It not an argument, is how it works.

Is that way in Dota2, Legue of Legends, Overwatch, etc.. You climb until by average you lose more than you win and then you stop climbing.

Thanks to not being able to de-rank, and the win streak, in the long run less skilled players will end climbing with time. That is translated into a boost causing the more skilled reach Crystal sooner, and late in the season, Platinum players, by average, will be less skilled than early in the season and therefore will be easier to climb.

This is an objective opinion based on how tier ranking system works in other games and how the small changes implemented by SE would affect what we already know. If you are not happy doesn't change the system have been proved by years and years of iteration in other games.

I am pretty sure a Silver player in League of Legends believe too that they should be Challenger rank and they only lose because others, is pretty common but statistics don't lie, on the long run, your skill will turn the balance of your winning rate from 50% to 55% or 45% and that small increase or decrease is what make you climb or getting stuck.

Wait a minute, I thought ranking in this game WASN'T doing a good job at filtering people based on skill, hence why we have complaints about "unskilled" people (like above argued) getting into ranks they "shouldn't" have the skill for?

Either ranking is an indicator of skill or it isn't. Which one is it? Can you please keep your gaslighting straight guys.

[Raistlin]

Wait a minute, I thought ranking in this game WASN'T doing a good job at filtering people based on skill, hence why we have complaints about "unskilled" people (like above) getting into ranks they "shouldn't" have the skill for?

Either ranking is an indicator of skill or it isn't. Which one is it? Keep your gaslighting straight guys.

It is, people just get salty because they lose and blame others. If you get stuck forever in a rank, is because by average your skill is lower than the rest, and with time, that rank average skill player will lower due to the de-rank protection and winning strike, allowing lower tier player with a winning strike to reach next tier and protected to go back to the other tier. This should cause that higher skilled players in the same rank as these less skilled players that reach that tier should have a higher winrate and climb to the next, and the loop continues.


Because the system allow slowly to inject less skilled players in a rank, that is translated to higher skilled players in that tier to rank to the next because their winning rate will increase. This is only possible due to the SE changes made compared to the traditional mode without de-rank protection and no winning strike.


So if a season lasted for years, then 99% of players will reach Crystal tier, but then the Crystal Credit system will separate low skill players with a credit close to 0 than medium or high skilled players.

But tbh the less people play, higher the window to select players and bigger the difference in skill. This work better on games like LoL and Dota because thousands of people are matchmaking at the same time and the game length is so long (30 min to 45 for Dota for example) so they can allow the matchmaking to take time to search for a more balanced team as the pool of players is bigger too.

In FFXIV the pool of players looking for a match at the same time is much smaller and the games are so fast that the matchmaking have to be really fast or will be annoying to wait 5 minutes to play a 2 min game, making matchmaking longer will cause less people to play and therefore more unbalanced games in long term. One of the attractions of this game mode is how fast the games are.

In general, Tier systems work as intended but in the long run people that normally should not climb, will climb and that will allow other to climb too.

[SweetPete]

Let’s be honest here. There are allot of cheaters in the higher tiers. Mostly Diamond+. I played some games and literally had a tank just run in and stand there and get killed every time. People who die 5-8 times in a match literally has me suspicious. Never had people die that much in lower ranks and even higher ranks but when I see some people run in and just stand there and get killed that’s definitely cheating/win trading.

Yeah there is skill involved as you rank up but you definitely can’t carry a team even if you play an overpowered job if you have people throwing the matches. It’s impossible. I believe OP when he says he’s encountering cheaters. I’ve seen them myself. Allot of them. It’s sad because if you didn’t climb early now it’s even worst time to try to climb because so many are throwing matches.

[Raistlin]

Let’s be honest here. There are allot of cheaters in the higher tiers. Mostly Diamond+. I played some games and literally had a tank just run in and stand there and get killed every time. People who die 5-8 times in a match literally has me suspicious. Never had people die that much in lower ranks and even higher ranks but when I see some people run in and just stand there and get killed that’s definitely cheating/win trading.

Yeah there is skill involved as you rank up but you definitely can’t carry a team even if you play an overpowered job if you have people throwing the matches. It’s impossible. I believe OP when he says he’s encountering cheaters. I’ve seen them myself. Allot of them. It’s sad because if you didn’t climb early now it’s even worst time to try to climb because so many are throwing matches.

I don't say is not, but founding a cheater or having a win trade game is not that impactful, why? because you can have the cheater on your team or the win trade on your side. It happens not that frequently and when it happens is a close 50% chance. In the long run by average if u meet 9 cheaters, 5 will be in the other team and 4 times in yours. You skill as player is a constant value on your winrate.

The problem is with Human mentality, when we win is all good game and you played very well, when you lose you see the cheaters and the win trades, but statistically is not that impactful as these can go either side.

[YukikoKurosawa]

Let’s be honest here. There are allot of cheaters in the higher tiers. Mostly Diamond+. I played some games and literally had a tank just run in and stand there and get killed every time. People who die 5-8 times in a match literally has me suspicious. Never had people die that much in lower ranks and even higher ranks but when I see some people run in and just stand there and get killed that’s definitely cheating/win trading.

Yeah there is skill involved as you rank up but you definitely can’t carry a team even if you play an overpowered job if you have people throwing the matches. It’s impossible. I believe OP when he says he’s encountering cheaters. I’ve seen them myself. Allot of them. It’s sad because if you didn’t climb early now it’s even worst time to try to climb because so many are throwing matches.

If cheaters exist they would most certainly be concentrated in the highest tiers. I suspect it's discord cliques gatekeeping who ranks to Crystal, attempting to manipulate Platinum to Crystal tiers. Diamond must be an absolute nightmare right now.

[YukikoKurosawa]

I don't say is not, but founding a cheater or having a win trade game is not that impactful, why? because you can have the cheater on your team or the win trade on your side. It happens not that frequently and when it happens is a close 50% chance. In the long run by average if u meet 9 cheaters, 5 will be in the other team and 4 times in yours. You skill as player is a constant value on your winrate.

The problem is with Human mentality, when we win is all good game and you played very well, when you lose you see the cheaters and the win trades, but statistically is not that impactful as these can go either side.

The odds of you having a premade on your side as a pug is far less likely than the opposite. Far more likely you will encounter one person from a clique on your team who the majority of their clique is on the other team and so they will intentionally throw the match on you so they win. Which explains numerous reports of high level rank matches where somebody notes what appears to be a party member of theirs throwing or playing badly, or not even playing at all and basically afking. It's wintrading.

I've seen this exact same type of gaslighting in regards to Frontline premades supposedly not being real and impossible, while I was literally in discord servers with people coordinating said premades. I see through you, buddy.

[GayRobot]

I don't want this to come off like a taunt, since you're clearly having an awful time, but the way you talk about your teams and your sessions makes your low winrate seem completely plausible. If you're getting upset enough that you're leaving games, there is basically a 0% chance that you're bringing all of your faculties into every game. In another thread, you claimed you'd abandoned 100+ games over a 3-day period; I don't even think I've played that many games in the same timespan.

For what it's worth, I also walled at Plat 4 for a while; I think there's probably some sort of "critical mass" there. Your matchmaking pool contains every player who's failing to get into Platinum (which, by this point in the season, could mean they're quite weak), but also contains every player who has scraped against the border of Diamond only to fall back down, mindlessly spamming matches until they hit their lucky streak, and every player who finally shook off Platinum-rank ankleweights on their way to Crystal. Variance is going to be high there, and human beings are famously bad at intuitive statistics.

I think if you're going to continue posting, you might want to record and post some match videos. A look at what your average session is like will let people advise you on how to improve, and if something fishy is going on, concrete evidence will help make sure cheaters and wintraders are punished.

[Raistlin]

The odds of you having a premade on your side as a pug is far less likely than the opposite. Far more likely you will encounter one person from a clique on your team who the majority of their clique is on the other team and so they will intentionally throw the match on you so they win. Which explains numerous reports of high level rank matches where somebody notes what appears to be a party member of theirs throwing or playing badly, or not even playing at all and basically afking. It's wintrading.

I've seen this exact same type of gaslighting in regards to Frontline premades supposedly not being real and impossible, while I was literally in discord servers with people coordinating said premades. I see through you, buddy.

Without counting yourself, there are 9 slots, 5 in the other team, 4 in yours, that translated to percentages are 44.44% and 55.55% chances for a player that is not you, to fall into each team and therefore the premade win team going one way or the other. If you add that to the chance that you get a premade on your match, the imbalance is very very low to affect your overall ability to rank up, probably very close to 49-51. but again as I said, when you lose, the perception is different, so people will complain a lot even when things are really not that much unbalance.

There is no perfect system, not this one, not any other. But I think people misinterpret the point that tiers are a very slow progression system designed to climb anyway. Wintrading in Crystal should be less of a thing as the players losing, lose Crystal Credit every time you "help" your friends and then you have to climb credit again alone, to lose it again by helping your friends again... different than people wintrading during the tier progression system where you can help someone climb the next tier and then they help you climb too as they have de-rank protection.

For that reason I think de-rank protection should be removed and winstrike benefit should be increased. That way wintrading with the parachute of no de-rank should be minimized (not removed)