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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin View Post
    Without counting yourself, there are 9 slots, 5 in the other team, 4 in yours, that translated to percentages are 44.44% and 55.55% chances for a player that is not you, to fall into each team and therefore the premade win team going one way or the other. If you add that to the chance that you get a premade on your match, the imbalance is very very low to affect your overall ability to rank up, probably very close to 49-51. but again as I said, when you lose, the perception is different, so people will complain a lot even when things are really not that much unbalance.

    There is no perfect system, not this one, not any other. But I think people misinterpret the point that tiers are a very slow progression system designed to climb anyway. Wintrading in Crystal should be less of a thing as the players losing, lose Crystal Credit every time you "help" your friends and then you have to climb credit again alone, to lose it again by helping your friends again... different than people wintrading during the tier progression system where you can help someone climb the next tier and then they help you climb too as they have de-rank protection.

    For that reason I think de-rank protection should be removed and winstrike benefit should be increased. That way wintrading with the parachute of no de-rank should be minimized (not removed)
    I think at some point I'm going to have to stop reading your posts because at this point you're either willfully ignoring real actual demonstrations and data or just pulling things out of thin air (or a darker recess far more unimaginable).

    Everyone has tested the queue at the same time system and I'd argue that 85-90% of the time we end up in the same match. Less likely that we're in the same group as we're queuing up as a group of three just because we want to have fun in casual.

    I can literally demonstrate this any time and any day any place. The willful ignorance on display that somehow you can't group up again (especially when I repeatedly get the same people when I'm queuing up for matches? lol) to then weirdly wax poetic about "human mentality" but at the end of the day this system is easily gamed, easily cheated, and easily broken. Please stop pretending like it isn't.
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  2. #22
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    Just pushed to Plat 3, 1 star, only to hit another losing streak and go all the way back down. Just dropped another match that had turned incredibly sour with no hope in sight of turning it around. Same crap as I've been dealing with this entire week, teammates just unable to survive, me singlehandedly holding down the crystal multiple times over, pulling enemies off it, etc. No hope that I'll ever hit diamond at this point, and even if I did the fact that diamond is even longer only makes me dread it. I had spent my entire day dropping horrendous matches until I finally decided to just push harder and stay in the game, only to be walled again and lose all my progress I just built up.

    I just don't even care at this point. This is utter garbage. The matchmaking, the rank decay, the Ranked. community, all of it. Nothing about this is enjoyable or rewarding, not even remotely.
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias_Azuryon View Post
    I think at some point I'm going to have to stop reading your posts because at this point you're either willfully ignoring real actual demonstrations and data or just pulling things out of thin air (or a darker recess far more unimaginable).

    Everyone has tested the queue at the same time system and I'd argue that 85-90% of the time we end up in the same match. Less likely that we're in the same group as we're queuing up as a group of three just because we want to have fun in casual.

    I can literally demonstrate this any time and any day any place. The willful ignorance on display that somehow you can't group up again (especially when I repeatedly get the same people when I'm queuing up for matches? lol) to then weirdly wax poetic about "human mentality" but at the end of the day this system is easily gamed, easily cheated, and easily broken. Please stop pretending like it isn't.
    Shouldn't rule out the possiblity that he and certain other posters in this forum are part of these suspected discord cliques and they're just here to actively gaslight people over the existence of them and the integrity of PvP, as they've done with Frontlines and as they did with Feast. Not saying he or anyone else here is, but it would not surprise me. Again, I'm in PvP discords, I see a mere slice of what is actually happening behind the scenes.
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  4. #24
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    Mate, are you going to make these posts every Day now? Silver players will get stuck at Silver. Gold players will get stuck in Gold. Plat Players will get Stuck at Plat and so on. (No amount of Forum posts will change that)

    If you cant get out of Plat for such a long time, you might have reached your limit. Again: if the mode sours your mood so much you should consider taking the advice people gave you in your 50 other threads and take a break or quit the mode.

    Have a good day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias_Azuryon View Post
    I think at some point I'm going to have to stop reading your posts because at this point you're either willfully ignoring real actual demonstrations and data or just pulling things out of thin air (or a darker recess far more unimaginable).

    Everyone has tested the queue at the same time system and I'd argue that 85-90% of the time we end up in the same match. Less likely that we're in the same group as we're queuing up as a group of three just because we want to have fun in casual.

    I can literally demonstrate this any time and any day any place. The willful ignorance on display that somehow you can't group up again (especially when I repeatedly get the same people when I'm queuing up for matches? lol) to then weirdly wax poetic about "human mentality" but at the end of the day this system is easily gamed, easily cheated, and easily broken. Please stop pretending like it isn't.
    I like how people misinterpret things and then get mad.

    Agree, you can easily sync to try premade with your friends, not sure about your 85-90% stats, but no reason to rebate it. My percentages ARE NOT your chances to premade with your friends, so please avoid comments like "The willful ignorance on display that somehow you can't group up again".

    What I meant, is that my chance, as a solo queue player, to have other people premade in my game, and trade win the other team, instead of my team, is about 44% for me, 55% for going the other team, and that, IF I get a group of players trying to premade every single game, that is not, so it will be more closer to 50, but obviously never completle balanced.

    Everything else you think I was saying is incorrect or inaccurate, I will suggest for you to properly read the intention of my posts before to reply about things I did not say (with grammar issues included and apologies for that)

    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa
    Shouldn't rule out the possiblity that he and certain other posters in this forum are part of these suspected discord cliques and they're just here to actively gaslight people over the existence of them and the integrity of PvP, as they've done with Frontlines and as they did with Feast. Not saying he or anyone else here is, but it would not surprise me. Again, I'm in PvP discords, I see a mere slice of what is actually happening behind the scenes.
    My friends don't play FFXIV anymore, I solo queue and still stuck in progressing the tiers. TBH I don't need to explain myself to you, your suggestion that because I don't agree to you, I am cheating is disgusting.
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  6. #26
    Player YukikoKurosawa's Avatar
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    Officially 8 days straight now. Nice
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  7. #27
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    Look no mater what the people on this thread say ranking is all about luck, way match making is you can lose every game you ever play even if best in world, so don't listen to the people on thread, but also you leaving match is just so out of order.
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  8. #28
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    It's 90% RNG (heavily weighted matchmaking), 10% you as a player. Because there is no carry potential, regardless of your job. Keep smashing your head against a wall and you'll break it eventually. That's what I've been telling myself, anyway. I'm more or less in the same boat. Up a star, down a star. Blah blah blah. Starting to wonder if the time spent is worth the effort. I keep forgetting adventurer plates exist anyway and that's the main reason for doing ranked lol
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  9. #29
    Player YukikoKurosawa's Avatar
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    Nearly hit my ATH today of Plat 2, even had a win streak going

    As of typing this, I am Plat 4 0 stars again. Same spot I was 8 days ago.

    Great system you got there. Really enjoying every hour of my life wasted on this garbage. Gosh, systems where you LOSE HOURS of progress for things not entirely within your control are so fun and rewarding aren't they? Are you guys having FUN? Cuz I sure am! I love setting aside several hours a day to make significant progress and than lose it all due to bad luck. Great. System. Guys.

    Totally not purely designed to artificially pad out players sub times. Nope. Not at all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    Nearly hit my ATH today of Plat 2, even had a win streak going

    As of typing this, I am Plat 4 0 stars again. Same spot I was 8 days ago.

    Great system you got there. Really enjoying every hour of my life wasted on this garbage. Gosh, systems where you LOSE HOURS of progress for things not entirely within your control are so fun and rewarding aren't they? Are you guys having FUN? Cuz I sure am! I love setting aside several hours a day to make significant progress and than lose it all due to bad luck. Great. System. Guys.

    Totally not purely designed to artificially pad out players sub times. Nope. Not at all!
    I'm not sure what you were expecting, most ranked modes are pretty trash, I enjoy it because of the thrill of the challenge, but some of you guys should just get the malmstones rewards and peace out. There is still a LOT of balancing to do, so sometimes it will be a very unfair fight. All we can hope for is rapid updates for PvP like 6.11 was.

    I got to Diamond recently as Reaper, so if anyone here knows what it's like to be unfairly dogpiled, it would be me. I have damage and healing numbers that exceed tanks and healers in some matches because of how hard I get focused. Though, I am very proud to say my final win came from using the hysteria fear to move players off the objective, felt very poetic.
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