ARR Dungeon Changes

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Other than the obvious lighting, removal of photocell, omegalul wallpulls and notable less threatening mobs, the other thing that I noticed from Toto-Rak change is how they turn bosses' poison debuff into an uncleansable version. Is this a sign they're planning to remove Healers' Esuna?

[iGiveUpLoL]

I don’t view these changes as actions that SE took to appeal to lower denominators player base, but rather changes that are very necessary to make new low level trust system to work. Some of the old mechanics may not be suitable for trusts. Are these changes good? I don’t think so. These changes took away the unique feeling from each dungeon and made them feel like generic pull-everything-to-boss dungeon. I just wish trust system is never implemented. It’s a MMORPG game, interacting with other people is essential in this genre. Yoshi-p is unfortunately shifting their focus to RPGMMO. I wish all these efforts on low level stuff can be put into making current systems better, or making Viera’s hairstyle.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Other than the obvious lighting, removal of photocell, omegalul wallpulls and notable less threatening mobs, the other thing that I noticed from Toto-Rak change is how they turn bosses' poison debuff into an uncleansable version. Is this a sign they're planning to remove Healers' Esuna?

If anything, it was probably done to stop people from spamming Esuna on those fights as the way they worked was that they would reapply it if their main target didn't have poison up. Some healers and the Trusts going "Oh hey, tank has poison. Gotta cast Esuna. Oh hey, tank has poison again. Gotta cast Esuna. Oh hey, tank has poison again, Gotta cast Esuna."

[IckeDerTyp]

They're revising history!

Soon nobody will remember that dungeons had actual mechanics :3

Please enjoy 3 packs and a wall - repeat 3 times until last boss and dungeon is done.

Being sassy aside tho, I like them going back and bringing things up to par!

I just wish we'd also get enhanced gameplay/mechanics and not just... You know, removing stuffs!

But it's fine and the MSQs are alot better tbh. Still won't q for em tho

[Darthgummibear]

In most cases, simplification is good. It doesn't make things easier, it makes them simpler and less convoluted.
Some people like convoluted gameplay, but they are clearly the minority. Maybe you will get "ARR/HW classic" at some point
A lot of the same things they changed really aged poorly...

Tell that to WoW that has nothing left but a giant echo chamber.

[Ath192]

I like how they look. But I'm not so happy about losing all the corridors in Totorak for example or some nerfs I've seen in Stone Vigil. For the new player they'll be okay. Truth is I'm not really a fan of the later game dungeon design and I feel like they brought that into ARR so if anything they feel more homogenized.

Either way though they do look better so theres pros and cons.

[Illmaeran]

From what I've seen, I think the changes are far on the positive side of the spectrum. Removing some of the gimmicks and adding actual mechanics keeps things engaging and the removal of some cutscenes helps take the edge of the MSQ tedium. All in all I'm very happy for the changes they've made.

[VictorSpoils]

Honestly, I would even dare saying it: they should rework Bahamut raids as well.

Might as well if homogenization is the plan. Just make T3 a solo instance, tone down the other raids, add them all to the raid roulette, and add savage versions for the first and third tiers.

[ryouma17]

Honestly, I would even dare saying it: they should rework Bahamut raids as well.

only if they get added to the raid roulette cause right now they are useless

[IdowhatIwant]

Let's go ahead an tone down ultimates and make a roulette for them as well.

While we are at it, lets go ahead and provide loot to everyone just for attempting any piece of content.