Remove the Mentor crown

[IckeDerTyp]

I don't see a problem with the crown.

People that wanna help, will help - with or without the crown.

It's up to the individual to blindly follow a mentors word. Or anyone's, really ^^

I do think the crown should be behind tougher prerequisites tho!

Like... Do every dungeon atleast once without being hit by a single AoE. Or something along these lines ^^

[ZedxKayn]

The shape of the icon is not what makes it attractive it's the relative rarity. The only time the icon should be visible would be if the mentor queued via mentor queue. The list of registered mentors is a great idea and gets back to the spirit of the system. Move the mount to some other achievement. If there has to be a reward make it a 'gold watch'. Yes I'm well aware that wrist glams get hidden quite often.

Alternatively make the crown a "veteran crown". Give it to anybody who's got Tank, Heals, and DPS to level cap.

I do think whatever icon there would be for mentors should remain visible, I've been DM'd a few times in a starting city by players asking questions about the game when I was the only fully-fledged mentor in sight. I like it as a marker of "you can ask this person questions, that's something they signed up for"

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Mentor icon needs to go, as well as rewards. If you want to actually help and teach others, you can do that without a stupid crown by your name. The watering can suggestion is nice, but the sad truth is most on NA/EU will become a mentor specifically for any kind of 'nameplate glamour', no matter what it is. And then we just have the exact same problem all over again.

The bolded sentences rings in harmony to my initial desire of getting those icons. It’s true. If I could turn on the sprout or returner flower icon, I will pick those over crowns. But sadly I need to be an alt and/or hiatus for months to get it back. I get bored if I don’t see any sort of ‘decorations’ on my name/nameplate/whatever you call it. Heck, I remembered there was 1 player in my World at Old Sharlayan in EW’s first week launch, they had the ‘Looking for materia melder’-icon on. I offered my service and their reply was:”Oh nah. I just like how the icon looked like.”. A few other also asked in the shout chat and got brushed off by the same answer.

Will I help players though? With or without crown, I will try what I can… but not at the cost of my own sanity. I too, like any other players, are just paying my sub to play the game & have my enjoyment. For that I tend to not actively offer advice; I wait for the initial question. I get disheartened very easily when knowing my well-intentioned tips gets brushed off by a player who clearly need that pointer. If said player made that first move, it is at least a clear hint that they’re receptive to some sort of feedback to whatever extent that is.

[UkcsAlias]

I do think the crown should be behind tougher prerequisites tho!

Like... Do every dungeon atleast once without being hit by a single AoE. Or something along these lines ^^

"i have avoided all AoE's and devestated all dungeons with easy. I am a perfect teacher"
2 minutes later
"you have to dps more and avoid getting hit"
player asks how
"practice"

A bad teacher remains a bad teacher, because teaching is a completely diffirent skill. You cant automate this. And the more status you put into a mentor status, the worse it gets because instead of being a mentor, they just use that to show of their ego. The best teachers are usualy not mentors for that reason. They see the crown as a downgrade. And in many cases those mentors are just sprouts within someone elses mentor network. And if the mentor himself simply doesnt care, and only cares about a good chat, you are very lucky because those networks are generaly the best. But it shows how flawed it is now.

I think the mentor network shouldnt require too much to join in, and just behave similar to an FC (except invites are replaced by requests of joining) but only restricted to chat. A channel can have multiple mentors in them (which do not get benefits and are only shown as mentor within that chat). The network can identify aspects which they can teach and contain multiple mentors. That way it just becomes a sort of centralized chatbox

[Greyhawk]

But then how do you find the right player to blame? It can't be that sprouts' fault, right?! Yeah! It has to be that mentor!

/s

I wear my crown for this exact reason. Then whoever is blaming me doesn't get healed. It's really simple to misclick nowadays. "Oopsie!"

In all seriousness, I do have my mentor crown on, but I don't stay in NN because that's what needs to go - it's a useless channel now. I help people while in duties and explain the fights, mechanics and help with job questions. I get /tells at least once or twice a day about questions or general chat. I made up macros to explain fights in raids and duties so I'm not trying to type it each time. I do my part and I know that most don't help at all, and do the same things that UkcsAlias pointed out above. It's really no different than the real world stuff going on - same mentalities - blame them all for what some bad apples do, but most are there to help. I've rarely seen a 'bad' mentor, but see the helpful ones all the time. Is it the majority of mentors? Probably not, but from my experiences with them, they do help in some fashion. Do we need a crown for that? No, I would still help out if I can. It's nice to be recognized though for doing something above and beyond.

Do we get discouraged? Sure, even explaining things to my spouse won't get it if I explain it - but if I draw it out with visual learning, it's not a problem. Some people (myself included) learn better and faster with visual learning and not text on a screen. Something we can't do here obviously, but we can try to do the best with what we have.

[SturmChurro]

I dropped mentor status altogether, rather than just turning off the crown.

[Jeeqbit]

Patently false considering how easy it is to gain mentor status if you actively make an effort to obtain it. A sprout could look up what they need for it, work on it their whole way through the game, and immediately become one not long after hitting level cap.

Does this happen in practice though? I would say it happens sometimes where they become a trade mentor this way and that is a problem. They usually do not become a pve mentor this way and almost everyone that has pve mentor that I've ever met seems to have genuinely played the game a lot.

Meanwhile some people who have been playing since 1.0 don't have it, simply because they don't want it. A crown doesn't indicate a veteran (it's easy to obtain for anyone), just as a sprout doesn't always indicate a new player (alts exist).

Exceptions exist, but generally I can rely on pve mentors to know the things I want them to know (for example, not falling for the mechanic tricks I wouldn't fall for). Generally I can rely on the sprout or returner icon to predict that someone will fail a mechanic.

When I play other games, it is nice when there is an indication of who is a veteran player because then I know they will be full of answers.

[angienessyo]

You can take the dumb crown away just don't take away my mentor roulette! That's my favorite roulette in the game and I actually love getting a random EX trial 20 minutes in progress and trying to salvage it. It's a good feeling seeing a run in shambles and being able to turn it around with a little help. I love it so much I've been doing it daily even after getting the mount a year ago.

[LeonKeyh]

Oh look....another topic about this.

Just create more nameplate flairs that will get rid of most of the people that just want something cool next to their name. Or, just... you know... do nothing. It's not nearly the problem that it's being made to be and the problems are typically due to this typical "postmodern" person that can't take criticism and takes any sort of feedback as an attack.

I do think the crown should be behind tougher prerequisites tho!

Like... Do every dungeon atleast once without being hit by a single AoE. Or something along these lines ^^

I thought generally the same thing "Mentors crown should be harder to get." But it's going to be impossible for people to "prove" that they know what they're talking about. With your example, doing every dungeon without being hit by an AE could be done by someone not attacking at all and just focusing on dodging stuff and doesn't prove any sort of job based knowledge (that is really nearly impossible to "prove")

[lalin]

i just think it would be nice to make the requirements a little harder to get , this way it won't be that easy to be a mentor , for example only allow players that have been playing the game for over a year or so to become mentors? or something similar ...
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also a little complain i hate how ffxiv community expect mentors to be gods, like if you are wearing the crown you are not allowed to make any mistakes that's why i never wear it , it gives me anxiety .