Remove the Mentor crown

[TabrisOmbrelame]

Most important rule in a mmorpg is being friendly with other players. If you do so as a mentor no problems with the mentor crown will happen.

^ This

As a Mentor, I always answer player who ask question. If I see a player doing bad things in dungeon, I ask him if I can make him a suggestion. If I got a negative response or being ignored, then fine, I don't say them what to do until they realise the mess they are doing. But if he's receptive to help or suggestion, then I suggest him what to do without forcing him to do so. They even get a commendation after the dungeon for they will to learn.

The Mentor Crown is only bad if the player who wear it is bad. As a Mentor, you are a representative of the FFXIV Community, you are here to help all those sprout, not harass them. If you don't want to help them properly, don't wear your crown. You can help them without your crown too, but that would be a waste towards the true Mentor community.

I've never been harassed as a Mentor ever. New player sometimes can be rude, exactly like some Mentors are, but that's just how human works, everyone think differently.

But remember that having this crown doesn't mean you are an elite player. You just have a lot playtime on the game which allow you to help player you make the first step in Eorzea. I've seen countless Casual Mentor that have a way better mentality towards sprout than "Hardcore Player" Mentor who don't give a s**t or insult them for just being bad.

[Retrisar]

Most mentors which i saw got no idea how to play own class or how to do mechanics in dungeons / trials. Sometimes even i would say that sprout is more knowledgeable than a mentor.

[Scaramouche]

But then how do you find the right player to blame? It can't be that sprouts' fault, right?! Yeah! It has to be that mentor!

/s

One has an icon that say "I might fail the mechanic" and the other has an icrown that say "I will fail the mechanic".

[Wolwosh]

If you remove it how will sprouts q into extremes through DF?
Real talk lets also remove the Legend titles. I've seen a few of them being mean, so removing it just like the letter Z would help a lot.

[Thorio]

1500 commendations is easy to do only if you beg for it everytime, otherwise no.
And mentors do need to experience a wide array of content, or you're telling me you can blaze trough the base game + 4 expansions in a day or two? Please, we both know your arguments are weak.

[SherlottaEryut]

In a Zepla video, I saw her suggest that the mentor crown should be changed to a 'watering can' which is fitting, considering the role is to nurture the sprouts and help them.

I really don't think the crown icon is necessary for mentor at all, but considering people have already worked for it; SE should just change it to an achievement cosmetic for our usernames.

I still remember in OSRS everyone wanted to be a in-game moderator, just for the crown next to the name because it was just a status to obtain. A lot of people seem to want the status, but not the responsibility.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

What would replace the mentor crown?

The crown helps you to understand who is a veteran player, just like the sprout icon helps you to understand who is a new player. People without the crown are somewhere in the middle of that.

Patently false considering how easy it is to gain mentor status if you actively make an effort to obtain it. A sprout could look up what they need for it, work on it their whole way through the game, and immediately become one not long after hitting level cap.

Meanwhile some people who have been playing since 1.0 don't have it, simply because they don't want it. A crown doesn't indicate a veteran (it's easy to obtain for anyone), just as a sprout doesn't always indicate a new player (alts exist).

Mentor icon needs to go, as well as rewards. If you want to actually help and teach others, you can do that without a stupid crown by your name. The watering can suggestion is nice, but the sad truth is most on NA/EU will become a mentor specifically for any kind of 'nameplate glamour', no matter what it is. And then we just have the exact same problem all over again.

Icon needs to go, rewards need to go. It baffles me that they think they need to tie a reward to simply helping people. That's its own reward, seeing people take your advice or obtain new knowledge you've shared and pass it on to others. If that isn't enough for someone, then they shouldn't really be calling themselves a mentor.

[GeminiReed]

The shape of the icon is not what makes it attractive it's the relative rarity. The only time the icon should be visible would be if the mentor queued via mentor queue. The list of registered mentors is a great idea and gets back to the spirit of the system. Move the mount to some other achievement. If there has to be a reward make it a 'gold watch'. Yes I'm well aware that wrist glams get hidden quite often.

Alternatively make the crown a "veteran crown". Give it to anybody who's got Tank, Heals, and DPS to level cap.

[Johners]

Having played WoW for over a decade, I can safely say the majority of players are bang average and aren't in a position to give advice to anybody else. The same applies in FFXIV and when you look at the entry requirements for being a mentor, it's basically a participation trophy for people that started in earlier expansions with there being no skill requirement.

If the mentor system was skill based, it would only be for people clearing Savage and Ultimates which would dwindle down the pool of mentors quite drastically. Not to mention some people still buy clears and if I'm being entirely honest, do we want the "hardcore" raiding mentalities often shown in higher level gameplay being the entire mentor player pool of the new players of all skill levels? That's not a bash on high level players, you guys rock, but it wouldn't fix the system.

I think at this stage, it's just easier to remove the system. You don't need to be a mentor to give good advice or bad advice plus you can then avoid people having the crown for the wrong reasons. There's people that just have it as a participation trophy because they started long enough ago to have naturally met the full entry requirements. You also have players that just have it to farm the mount reward from the mentor roulette queue which certainly rears it's ugly head with a few high profile mentors that are also partnered Twitch streamers (the ones that get really upset when their mentor roulette queue is an 8-man piece of content because it's probably an old extreme).

The good mentors that actually want to help people don't need a badge, title and mount reward to keep doing that if they truly want to help people. The player base is much larger and different in comparison to when this system was first implemented, removing a poorly aged system wouldn't be bad for the game but rather just reflects where we're at today. As for the mentor roulette mount, make it a reward elsewhere or throw it on the cash store, I don't really think it matters where it ends up if the mentor system was removed.

[Johners]

The shape of the icon is not what makes it attractive it's the relative rarity. The only time the icon should be visible would be if the mentor queued via mentor queue. The list of registered mentors is a great idea and gets back to the spirit of the system. Move the mount to some other achievement. If there has to be a reward make it a 'gold watch'. Yes I'm well aware that wrist glams get hidden quite often.

Alternatively make the crown a "veteran crown". Give it to anybody who's got Tank, Heals, and DPS to level cap.

Hard disagree on the "veteran crown". Most players are bang average and if we're giving a special badge to people that level a few different jobs, which you can do in a completely brain dead way, it doesn't solve the problem. The new and returning player icons are fine before it just signals someone is getting back into the game but anything else doesn't need to exist. Trade mentor is a joke you can get by copying and pasting from a guide (that's how I level DoH/DoL) and battle mentor is just a participation trophy, neither indicate actually knowing anything about the game and lowering the barrier would only make it worse.