a full lengthy discussion about reporting and actions taken against accounts.

[Feayn]

yes, have seen vulgar names mysef. I also see a roe speed hacking for the past 3 years and have personally reported them myself and they have yet to be banned or suspended a single day for it.

PVP is hot and seems to have went over very well, and cheating has been rampant in it and still is, so again, another reason this system very much needs to be looked at and reworked sooner rather than later at this point.

What are also very questionable lately, are these "poses" in the adventure passports made by so some female Miqoten ^^" Since I think to myself only: "You have it but really necessary or?"

[Jin-]

here's the reality, there's A LOT of ToS bootlickers for some reason.
90% of the XIV playerbase use the report function as a weapon to try to take revenge on people they don't like, which is a misuse of the report function.
This would not be a problem if actions disallowed by the ToS were investigated and punished independently from reports, but as far as I see it, if you don't get reported, nothing happens.
So what ends up happening is that the game turns into twitter or reddit where people seem to go on moral crusades against others trying to have fun.

Yes and on FFXIV Reddit they even recommend people to mass report people they disagree with or find troubling. It's almost daily you can read where they that they got their full party to report someone for X thing.

[LianaThorne]

My two cents:

Malicious reporting is an issue, no denying that, and I agree they should look more carefully at the reasons behind why something is reported. This clearly isn't the case though and I'm assuming this either how those who handle have been trained to handle it or a lack of manpower to actually devote time to each particular incident. Who knows though.

Ultimately though, this isn't the first time we've been here in terms of ERP related things being targeted by others, because at the end of the day it technically is a violation of the ToS and you got reported for it (I would assume in mass to get the attention you did). So, while I don't agree with the methods used at all (or with ERP being used as a weapon), I also can't really do anything other than shrug my shoulders. You run the risk by using a name like that unfortunately and the risk hit you today.

Considering you have a mark on your account already for something similar, I'm not sure why you're shocked either that it happened again.

[Broken_Wind]

here's the reality, there's A LOT of ToS bootlickers for some reason.
90% of the XIV playerbase use the report function as a weapon to try to take revenge on people they don't like, which is a misuse of the report function.
This would not be a problem if actions disallowed by the ToS were investigated and punished independently from reports, but as far as I see it, if you don't get reported, nothing happens.
So what ends up happening is that the game turns into twitter or reddit where people seem to go on moral crusades against others trying to have fun.

Here is the reality, less then .1% (1:1000) of the XIV playerbase use the report function as a weapon. I would think its much less than that.
So stop being ridiculous.

If Op is being 100% transparent here, then the first offense shouldn't have been suspension. Or even a name change.
I also don't agree with the second either and think forced name changes could have sufficed just fine. Small suspension for a second offense, sure I guess

But yes, the issue isnt the ToS itself, its the enforcement of grey areas like this.

If the FC name was was Avalanche or some xxxx of the xxxx name though there wouldnt have been a suspension, so its not like reports can get anyone banned
But I always wonder if there isnt more to story here behind the suspension

[Ghostwk]

nope, there is no more to it, i have not had any conflicts or anything with any other player or advertised my FC or anything of that nature. My FC name has been Elite Roleplayers and the tag has been ERP for 6 years since i inherited the FC. 30 minutes before I was banned, a player told me Adventure plates were being banned and i did not even reply to that player, nor do i even know them or have seen them before. here is the email for the suspension. I will note that it includes that the Slogan be changed as well but that is not the offense itself and was found AFTER the tag report. There was nothing offensive or vulgar in the slogan either, it has been the same since i changed the FC name too. I changed it just today actually to be even more welcoming because my FC is just me and IRL friends and friends from online games that ive known for 15+ years, so i changed it today to include "come make lasting friendships" or something along those lines. the original slogan was "18+ Alphabet Gang welcomed. Be the real you. Fun for all playstyles~ you come first."

[Ghostwk]

3.3 is cited as the reasoning for the ban. there is nothing offensive or profanity in ERP, especially when it aligns with the FC name, and the EULA has endorse "Erotic" role play as long as it is not done publicly. so the term is essentially an official one now for that activity that is clearly allowed in the game now. So how is "ERP" offensive or vulgar by their own terms now, even if it stood for EROTIC? so just because it CAN be taken that way, a SINGLE person should be able to report and get another player suspended for 20 days? especially now that it is out that they are doing it to eliminate people from participating in housing lottery.

[LianaThorne]

3.3 is cited as the reasoning for the ban. there is nothing offensive or profanity in ERP, especially when it aligns with the FC name, and the EULA has endorse "Erotic" role play as long as it is not done publicly. so the term is essentially an official one now for that activity that is clearly allowed in the game now. So how is "ERP" offensive or vulgar by their own terms now, even if it stood for EROTIC? so just because it CAN be taken that way, a SINGLE person should be able to report and get another player suspended for 20 days? especially now that it is out that they are doing it to eliminate people from participating in housing lottery.

By them citing that the game is rated 13+, that means keep the naughty stuff out of public eye as underage users play the game. You didn't do that, you had something that could be related to "erotic" roleplay in public view (i.e. your FC name). Even if it has nothing to do with erotic roleplay, you're still toeing a fine line having that name. Therefore, to SE, it looks like an ERP focused FC which is being publicly put out to other people.

You most likely were mass reported as well, compared to just one person. Wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if you've been getting reported over the years but never had anything happen till now because x amount of people did it at one time. It would fit with the trend of when venues were getting mass reported and owners slapped with temp or permanent bans.

The methods used against you are wrong, but doesn't change the fact that you're also breaking the rules at the same time.

[Ghostwk]

but more importantly i want this to be about the way the system works and discuss that more than my own experience, im just providing that as an example as why it is excessive and should be considered for change.

[Ghostwk]

By them citing that the game is rated 13+, that means keep the naughty stuff out of public eye. You didn't do that, you had something that could be related to "erotic" roleplay in public view (i.e. your FC name). Even if it has nothing to do with erotic roleplay, you're still toeing a fine line having that name. Therefore, to SE, it looks like an ERP focused FC which is being publicly put out to other people.

You most likely were mass reported as well, compared to just one person. Wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if you've been getting reported over the years but never had anything happen till now because x amount of people did it at one time.

that is even more of a reason that it is excessive. it wasnt the name and i was not advertising it. it was the 3 letter tag. i do not believe a 20 day suspension is warranted for that. especially when the game is pegi 13. this is the definition of pegi 12, a step below FFXIV;

the warning states sexually suggestive material is within the game innately. the game has a stripper pole as something you can place in your home as well as a strip club in eulmore, but ERP MAYBE suggesting it might be "erotic" is a 20 day suspension?

[LianaThorne]

that is even more of a reason that it is excessive. it wasnt the name and i was not advertising it. it was the 3 letter tag. i do not believe a 20 day suspension is warranted for that. especially when the game is pegi 13. this is the definition of pegi 12, a step below FFXIV;

the warning states sexually suggestive material is within the game innately. the game has a stripper pole as something you can place in your home as well as a strip club in eulmore, but ERP MAYBE suggesting it might be "erotic" is a 20 day suspension?

It doesn't matter if it's a tag or not, it literally says "ERP". That's what the issue is. PEGI is not the only rating system at work here, you have to realize that other countries rating systems apply as well and have to be taken into consideration. What's okay in your country may not be okay in others and that's why there are so many protections in place.

Also, suggestive themes does not equal engaging in explicit sexual situations, no matter how much you want to try to push that perspective (which is what ERP is...explicit sexual situations between two people). A dancer in the streets of Ul'dah does not open up the doors for people to start ERPing right next to her.

And yes, considering Square has been getting a lot more ban-hammer like with 18+ venues and anything relating to sexual situations over the past year...it will probably resort in an extended ban, especially since it's not your first offense either. The first step is admitting your own responsibility in this. You chose that tag and obviously know the potential meaning behind it, it's your fault. Can be mad at the people who mass reported you but doesn't change the fact that you stepped over a line in the first place.