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  1. #131
    Player deadman1204's Avatar
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    Fransisco Acutus
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Floortank View Post
    Most of the healers I get in regular content are utterly terrible.

    They let people die, cause wipes, fail to heal, don't know how to use their buttons, and the whole group grinds to a halt.

    It's harder to carry over bad healers than it is anyone else.

    So making the healer role harder than it already is will cause people to quit the game because they keep having terrible experiences due to bad healers.

    You may think the kit is boring, but it's that way to keep it easy. And as easy as it is, it's still too hard for most healers to use it correctly.
    The thing is, if the healer is struggling to keep players alive, its probably not the healers fault, but yours instead.

    Healers are expected to fix everyone elses mistakes, if dps fails to avoid damage, its the healers problem. If tank takes all the hits for lolz the healer needs to wipe up after them. So if the healer makes a mistake, everyone says its the healer's fault. Even though its really the fault of the person who took the damage to begin with.
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  2. #132
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    Katori Scarlet
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    Botanist Lv 90
    This needs to happen so bumping to the front.
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  3. #133
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    Also force him to Fantastia from Lala to Hrothgar and cut his ears off.
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    The menacing aura of every Lalafell.

  4. #134
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    Figured I'd give this thread a bump to give a reminder to people that Healers are not fun.

    Also, been looking into even the PvP side of things: It seems healers are a little more fun to play on that side because they have more damage buttons.

    Why can't this be put into a PvE sense with some balance tweaks for overperformance?
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  5. #135
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    Aylin Bielawska
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima View Post
    Figured I'd give this thread a bump to give a reminder to people that Healers are not fun.

    Also, been looking into even the PvP side of things: It seems healers are a little more fun to play on that side because they have more damage buttons.

    Why can't this be put into a PvE sense with some balance tweaks for overperformance?
    It's not even that we have more damage buttons, it's that we have more interactivity with all of our buttons. Imagine being able to make decisions on how and when you should best use your kit?
    Never have I, a healer, known such bounty in FFXIV.
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  6. #136
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    Adela Skychaser
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    Dancer Lv 93
    Quote Originally Posted by Floortank View Post
    Most of the healers I get in regular content are utterly terrible.

    They let people die, cause wipes, fail to heal, don't know how to use their buttons, and the whole group grinds to a halt.
    DF is full of tanks who wouldn't know a defensive CD if it bit them in the ass, and DPSers who couldn't DPS their way out of a paper bag...with directions on the inside. Yet, those two roles are allowed to have DPS rotations beyond 21111111 spam.

    Quote Originally Posted by Floortank View Post
    It's harder to carry over bad healers than it is anyone else.
    LOLnope. You can run current content, except for P3S and P4S, without healers at all. If a WAR can solo P1N, how necessary can healers be in that fight, really? If content can be cleared when the healers don't even exist, how hard can it possibly be to clear that same content when the healers are merely bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Floortank View Post
    So making the healer role harder than it already is will cause people to quit the game because they keep having terrible experiences due to bad healers.
    As opposed to the current direction, which is causing skilled healers to quit the game, or at least the role?

    Also, you and everybody else recycling this argument ignore the fact that if healing becomes challenging again, good players will simply swap over to the now-interesting healing role and displace the bad players. Healing was more demanding in ARR and HW than it is today, and content still got cleared, and lil' baby noobs were able to pick up the role just fine. Go run min-ilvl Vault sometime and see what I mean.

    Quote Originally Posted by Floortank View Post
    You may think the kit is boring, but it's that way to keep it easy. And as easy as it is, it's still too hard for most healers to use it correctly.
    This would be the "healing has to be boring because healers are all glue-huffing five-year-olds" talking point.

    Why does making the healing half of the kit easy to use somehow preclude making the damage half of the kit complex and rewarding to use? If your concern is genuinely about lil' baby noobs not being able to heal because it's too hard (spoiler alert: it isn't), then you shouldn't care at all how complex the DPS half of the kit is. Sylphie can ignore ten DPS buttons just as easily as she ignores two.

    No, the real reason people oppose expanding healer DPS kits is because they genuinely believe that healers are, and ought to be, second-class citizens who exist solely to let the DPS and tank players have fun. That skilled healers should not be rewarded for playing well, but punished with boredom, lest a skill gap appear and demonstrate just how badly Sylphie is playing.
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    "Once upon a time, you were the based healer, who could carry any tank through the largest of pulls! Now you're just here because the Duty Finder said you have to be." - Lucy Pyre

  7. #137
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    Imbri Undinare
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    Paladin Lv 90
    /signed but ONLY if he has to level that healer *from level 1* no skipping to 90 for him.
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    "Then what is magic for?" Prince Lir demanded wildly. "What use is wizardry if it cannot save a unicorn?"
    Schmendrick did not turn his head. With a touch of sad mockery in his voice, he said, "That's what heroes are for."
    -- Peter S. Beagle, The Last Unicorn

  8. #138
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    Eileen White
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    Monthly reminder that Healers are still in a bad spot.

    The petition is still out there for people to contribute to discussion. If Yoshida will play WHM for an entire patch and learn how to play it at a high level like he does BLM, then perhaps he'll find out how we feel.
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  9. #139
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    Sid Zarkovitch
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    Siren
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    I feel they should make healers heals but gaining dps on it. the lilly system is great exemple of it. They just need to make it same ish on other job but with different flavor.
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  10. #140
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    Dancer Lv 100
    At this point he probably never gonna do it, neither fantasia to hrothgar...
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