Hear me out: Should 14 have talent trees?

[Leonerdo]

It's funny, but I think tab-target MMOs are actually the worst genre to have talent trees in (WoW is weird). Because 1) people spend incredibly amounts of time on one MMO, 2) it's co-operative so you rely on other people to do their jobs well, and 3) the combat is very rigid and math-y, so it's fairly inevitable, as other people have said, that players will discover and enforce one optimal build to the detriment of creativity or personal preference. In other games, even co-op ones, I think you have more room for that kind of experimentation because success and failure isn't based so heavily on mathematical optimizations.

If you add a little bit of action or open-endedness, I think you greatly increase the chances that different people with have different levels of success with different builds. But FFXIV is very much about tackling well-defined dance-fights, and executing a rigid plan to perfection (or trying to at least). Talent trees just add a bunch of math for someone (not everyone, just a few people really) to solve before the rigid plan gets made.

[Akimori]

A talent tree in this game would flop. Why? Like someone else said, players are already going to go after their class's strongest talent. While a talent tree could create some diversity among the classes, with everyone running after their strongest talents, then there would literally be no reason for a talent tree

Also, Denji had the right of it. Raiding is already "meta central". When you jump into a raid party (if talent trees existed in XIV), you'd be expected to have the absolute best your class has to offer. If you dont? Well, you can expect to be booted from the party

[Corbeau]

No, XIV should not have talent trees. They'd balloon the design and balancing budget way out of proportion to any benefit.

[Espon]

WoW needs talent trees because you are stuck playing only one class. In FF14 you can simply change jobs if you want to have a different playstyle or fill another role.

[Nekokaori]

I believe the benefit of not doing talent trees is that they can do more jobs. Maybe I'm totally wrong on that but as long as I get geomancer I don't really care.

How is that a benfit when every caster basically plays the same, all healers same all tanks same all mele same ... Ur abilitys may be worded or said differently

But at the end of the day they all play the same this days so that might have been true in stormblood but its not anymore

[Hazama999]

The jobs themselves are the talent trees.

This right here is how I choose to view it. Each and every job is locked to their own sort of gimmick, but the choice of which job to play is what I equate to the variety you would see in a talent tree.

[ThaCa]

Talent trees could work for some fancy side content. We've already had all kind of stuff with Eureka and Bozja.

[Nekokaori]

So i'm going to break down why we honesty need talents or some form of it

The answer is both players and DEVS using exisiting jobs as an excuse to not add another in that style.

Example Corsair: everyone is like well mch covers it so if u want it just glamor it and still look at the ugly toolbox
example 2: geomancer : well so and so is a geomancer in lore (which its not ur just helping a conjurer around) so no geomancer for you
example 3: theif same deal
and then there are
I want a berserker: well this guy has a berserk ability so no berserker for you.

Theres also a fact you may like theme of the job but hate the weapon or vice versa

Also there is a fact the devs strip abilitys or style of play from some people who enjoyed it for other people (which admitly pisses me off like they did with ast) so it could be used to keep the style of play we enjoyed

[Canadane]

It has talent trees.
You just have the capability of maxing them all out.

If you wanna tank, swap over to a tank role, if you wanna deal more damage you pick up a DD role.

[Nekokaori]

It has talent trees.
You just have the capability of maxing them all out.

If you wanna tank, swap over to a tank role, if you wanna deal more damage you pick up a DD role.

talent trees arent just about role its about changing ur style of play or your entire theme

instend of being some weeb ninja you could be a pure blood theif with one