The general direction of job changes is straight asinine. Literally NO ONE benefits.

[DPZ2]

You've pissed off the veteran players.

You've chopped off the longevity of the game for new/aspiring players.

YOUR TUTORIALS SUCK at teaching players how to play jobs.

• Hyperbolic venting. Check.
• "I've been playing since 1.0, but only decided to start a forum account in the last 4 months". Check.
• or, perhaps "I'm a new player and know everything about the long history of this game".
• Tutorials that no other game has are absolutely necessary in this one, even though it's a dumbed down, braindead game to play. Check

I'm a "veteran player". I'm not upset with the changes. I was perfectly happy with Bow Mage, probably because I didn't generally run around the dungeon like I was a blindfolded chicken. My SAM alt doesn't have any issues nor do I particularly miss Kaiten. My DRG alt is having fun with the greatly shortened jump animations. I enjoy the feel of Summoner as much post-change as before.

So, not every "Veteran Player" is upset.

There are plenty of new players, yeah. The majority of paying subscribers, on the other hand, absolutely know what they're getting into at this point. The non-subscribers have plenty of time to discover that they don't like job X anymore, and wouldn't be playing if they had to pay anyway.

Tutorials: Name two other MMORPGs with a tutorial system that teach 'how to play a job'. Make it starting level tutorials, and, later, at each level in which the job changes dramatically because of new synergies assigned to job actions. Actually, name one that fits that particular demand well. I'll wait.

[FrogBiscuit]

So, not every "Veteran Player" is upset.

• Not actually even responding to the quoted posters post. Check.
• Not accurately representing the posters perspective in a desperate attempt to construct effectively a failing argument. Check.
• Relying on entirely pointless and assumed factors that are entirely unrelated to the discussion to thoughtlessly dismiss a point of view you simply don't agree with. Check
• Clearly missed the point of bringing up the subject of tutorials, as the OP was suggesting if there were better tutorials, maybe they wouldn't feel the need to make class mechanics brain dead as can be, but way to go and effectively reinforce the very point you were snidely attacking. Check

Where did SleeeeeeepySleeeeeeep ever state 'all veteran players'? Can you point it out to me? Or are you just being hypocritical with your own exaggerations to do nothing more then callously dismiss opposing opinions? Did you join the conversation to actually discuss the topic? Or to just childishly shout at pretty much everyone else in here that they are all wrong?


Thanks for your anecdotal stance of 'every thing is fine'. I am sure a great business model for SE to take is to strictly cater to you and what you find is 'fine'. Obviously the subscriptions of the vast number of players (world over, JP, US, and EU) that clearly disagree with you are not nearly as valuable as your sub... Right?


Or if you arn't a person that insists the entire world revolves around you, do you actually want to take part of the conversation? Or just troll? Everyone else expressed themselves and why they feel about the changes as they do. You only came in here and disingenuously incorrectly represent people's words, casually dismiss their criticisms with little more then a 'Well, I am ALSO an elitest... and everything is fine, so you are wrong.', and make entirely presumptuous arguments...

What a hypocritical, self defeating child...

[DPZ2]

Zing!

ooooooh. I'm sooooo sorry. <sobs> I'm not allowed to have my own opinions about what the OP actually wrote that were, to say the least, hyperbole at its worst?

Two words.

And thanks so much for ignoring the part about Tutorials completely.

[FrogBiscuit]

ooooooh. I'm sooooo sorry. <sobs> I'm not allowed to have my own opinions about what the OP actually wrote that were, to say the least, hyperbole at its worst?

Two words.

And thanks so much for ignoring the part about Tutorials completely.

Are you actually trying to be this dense and deflective?

- you are allowed to have a opinion. No one made a single comment about that. I, as well as others, were criticizing your hypocritical stance of mindlessly dismissing other peoples opinion, when it was your own prerogative to come into the thread and involve yourself. Great example at projection though. Congrats.
- Every post you have made in this thread so far are actual examples of hyperbole, if you need references. The only reason you are suggesting the OP posted hyperbole is because you have incorrectly read/interpreted/represented her words. the 'Every Veteran Player' comment is a perfect example of it. You exaggerated the OP's points to silly degrees only to construct and post a unrelated contradiction to what was even posted. Not a terribly honest person are you? Even with yourself it seems...
- And now you are doing it in response to me. I did comment on the tutorials. You entirely missed the plot, willful ignorance or unintentionally... Why does anyone need to name a MMO that has relevant class tutorials? That has zero to do with the OP's comment. At all. It was posed as a suggestion as an alternative to dumbing down the game. Why would it matter in any way, weather another MMO has taken that approach?

You literally have added nothing the conversation, even in the defense of the changes. You literally joined the convo by brainlessly dismissing everyone else's point of view, without any explanation or legitimate cause outside of 'Well I'm fine with how things are' as if that serves any purpose at all (even in proving your own point).

Once again, do you want to actually take part of the conversation? Or are you here simply to misrepresent the discussion and derail like a troll? If you just want to troll like a kid, fine... Just don't be upset later on when your presence is ignored simply due to how ungenuine you are.

Maybe try to actually respond to the points being made rather then constructing false and unrelated arguments.