New Alliance Raid is severely undertuned.

[Ath192]

Comments like this are this are starting to make me sick, not only an ingeuine response but also such stupid comparasions. I guess this is just this game's community at this point.

Actually I've noticed a lot more insults and swear words flying around in the community and forums as of this year. And most of the time I check the date on the profile its fairly recent so I would say the influx of new players has degraded the interactions somewhat. This is purely anecdotal though, but 6 months ago I wasn't seeing cuss words or blatant insults on 60% of the threads I read.

Passive aggressiveness on the other hand.... that's a tale old as time.

[Jybril]

THIS 900%. People whine for whatever reason now.

No one is asking for Savage Alliance raids. Stop downing every time someone has an issue with the game please.

We really need a middle ground somewhere. I get the game is for baby's first MMO but please add slightly more challenging things.
Once again, the community expresses themselves and players get called whiners lmao.

[HReincarnate]

I wouldn't mind mechanics being harder, but I hope they don't make bosses bullet sponges like the Nier raids. Those took forever to kill & it was exhausting. Had a hard time not dozing off every time I did any of those.

[Illmaeran]

Passive aggressiveness on the other hand.... that's a tale old as time.

Ah, but is it a song as old as rhyme?

[IckeDerTyp]

... You didn't think the Nier raids were hard? :x

[BingleNingle]

Unsure if the join date is the only determining factor, but it's one of them probably.

To keep it on topic, I did run Aglaia yesterday and noticed how fast the bosses burned down and was definitely disappointed. Seems people are already running it as ho-hum content.

OTOH, on day one I saw two alliances struggle and one do fairly okay, and someone from that alliance was really rude telling the others "you know you can see where the blocks are going by the BIG HAMMERS that tell you?" which, hey buddy! It's day one! Sorry everyone isn't as observant as you or whatever, let people learn stuff at their pace without the condescension.

One thing I've noticed in my short time posting here is that everyone in the EN forums hate each other on principle. I've seen legit complaints shouted down by people who don't want to care that others aren't having fun and I've also seen people smugly insist that all the problems stem from the game being "dumb baby's first mmo". Maybe some of that is exacerbation, but I've been in enough forums to know that that's just how they play out.

the JP forums don't seem like this and maybe some of that is cultural, but I think something about the types of people who actually bother to seek out and dwell on such a forum over here are predisposed to spit acid.

The game has a problem with difficulty scaling and balancing job uniqueness with job parity. But certain members of the community also have a problem with impatience and superiority. Neither are comparable since one is a company and the other is a playerbase but both contribute to that sinking feeling you get whenever something goes wrong in a dungeon or raid.

someone had mentioned in this thread that they suspected gear gets so much better so quickly that it likely cuts a lot of fight time down, which doesn't simply mean we do more damage, it also means we see fewer phases of fights and take less damage.

[Packetdancer]

Is it undertuned or just the usual case of players being overpowered?

A little of column A, a little of column B.

Column B (overpowered by gear) is definitely a factor, and honestly probably the biggest one. The first alliance raid of an expansion is going to have a bigger gear spread to handle; raiders consider i580 to be basically the "baseline" gear spec right now, but the alliance raid needs to be accessible to people who are newly to endgame (which will give you i560 gear). But the power differential between "I just got to endgame with my artifact gear, and have picked up a few pieces of Moonward armor" and "I'm wearing a BiS mix of Augmented Radiant and Asphodelos gear, with optimal melds" is immense; I've been in there and had a co-healer who has literally 9k less health than me, because they're in the minimum gear they can queue in with, while I'm geared for savage.

And Aglaia is definitely tuned more towards the lower end of that spectrum, like the co-healer with 9k less health. Which, as something that provides catch-up armor, is arguably where it should be. Even if that means raid gear can trivialize some of it.

However, while I'm usually inclined to say a raid is tuned as it should be and we need to accept that savage gear is going to trivialize some mechanics, I do think that for once I'm going to agree that this one's at least a little undertuned. I love the mechanics, but when they aren't insta-kill (knock off a ledge, deliberately deal 150k+ damage on failure, etc.), I expect to see the savage-geared folks surviving by virtue of gear... but in Aglaia, I see the lower-geared folks surviving those failures as well. And sure, healers like me are doing our best to shield them and otherwise keep them alive, but that does still feel a bit more forgiving in terms of damage on failure than I'd expect for the raid.

(Granted, some of that may be that this is the first new 24-man content since the stats squish, so they might not quite have the numbers dialed in yet.)

[Ath192]

A little of column A, a little of column B.

Column B (overpowered by gear) is definitely a factor, and honestly probably the biggest one. The first alliance raid of an expansion is going to have a bigger gear spread to handle; raiders consider i580 to be basically the "baseline" gear spec right now, but the alliance raid needs to be accessible to people who are newly to endgame (which will give you i560 gear). But the power differential between "I just got to endgame with my artifact gear, and have picked up a few pieces of Moonward armor" and "I'm wearing a BiS mix of Augmented Radiant and Asphodelos gear, with optimal melds" is immense; I've been in there and had a co-healer who has literally 9k less health than me, because they're in the minimum gear they can queue in with, while I'm geared for savage.

And Aglaia is definitely tuned more towards the lower end of that spectrum, like the co-healer with 9k less health. Which, as something that provides catch-up armor, is arguably where it should be. Even if that means raid gear can trivialize some of it.

However, while I'm usually inclined to say a raid is tuned as it should be and we need to accept that savage gear is going to trivialize some mechanics, I do think that for once I'm going to agree that this one's at least a little undertuned. I love the mechanics, but when they aren't insta-kill (knock off a ledge, deliberately deal 150k+ damage on failure, etc.), I expect to see the savage-geared folks surviving by virtue of gear... but in Aglaia, I see the lower-geared folks surviving those failures as well. And sure, healers like me are doing our best to shield them and otherwise keep them alive, but that does still feel a bit more forgiving in terms of damage on failure than I'd expect for the raid.

(Granted, some of that may be that this is the first new 24-man content since the stats squish, so they might not quite have the numbers dialed in yet.)

The only problem is that you are looking at this theoretically. The reality is MOST of the people running this content will be closer to ilvl 585 or 590 because this game gives 590 Tomestone gear that can be farmed every week. So in practice NO ONE is close to the low ilvl it was designed for. Hence everything burns down quickly.

[Souljacker]

Actually I've noticed a lot more insults and swear words flying around in the community and forums as of this year. And most of the time I check the date on the profile its fairly recent so I would say the influx of new players has degraded the interactions somewhat. This is purely anecdotal though, but 6 months ago I wasn't seeing cuss words or blatant insults on 60% of the threads I read.

Passive aggressiveness on the other hand.... that's a tale old as time.

I've seen two threads in as many days that went completely of the rails with insults back and forth. SE is asleep at the wheel? Or doesn't really care anymore.

[Derio]

My problem is there is not enough tank interactions compared to the Nier Raids and not enough room wide AOEs. The raid looks stunning though. But this is the highest amount of players that have attempted Savage so most groups do have fairly geared people in the party.