Worst housing system in the world

[Corvus_V]

Why not? Not everyone can do Ultimate with the limited time they have to prog, same as Housing not everyone can get one. Does that makes Ultimate just as bad?

If you limited 1% of people to attempting Ultimates, then yes? Anyone can attempt an Ultimate and prog it. There is no prog for housing. The closest thing you could have compared to "prog" was relocation, which is gone. Even if you have the gil, you cannot buy a house unless you get lucky and win a lottery. It does not take "months of prog" because with the amount of people who may try to purchase larger sized houses, you may actually just never end up attaining one through no fault of your own. You cannot "put in more effort and practice" into getting a house. You cannot "try harder." It's kind of weird and insane that you would even begin to compare the two.

You're taking "housing endgame" a little too literally. In general that is a weird take, limiting housing arbitrarily in general is a weird take. If you're saying it should take longer, then suggest housing be more expensive, not unsustainable dogshit like it is now. The reason so few people participate in ultimates isnt because they literally just cannot participate in Ultimates, it is because they either don't have the time or don't want to. They are not obstructed by other players into not being able to complete ultimates.

[Dionysius]

If you limited 1% of people to attempting Ultimates, then yes? Anyone can attempt an Ultimate and prog it. There is no prog for housing. The closest thing you could have compared to "prog" was relocation, which is gone. Even if you have the gil, you cannot buy a house unless you get lucky and win a lottery. It does not take "months of prog" because with the amount of people who may try to purchase larger sized houses, you may actually just never end up attaining one through no fault of your own. You cannot "put in more effort and practice" into getting a house. You cannot "try harder." It's kind of weird and insane that you would even begin to compare the two.

You're taking "housing endgame" a little too literally. In general that is a weird take, limiting housing arbitrarily in general is a weird take. If you're saying it should take longer, then suggest housing be more expensive, not unsustainable dogshit like it is now. The reason so few people participate in ultimates isnt because they literally just cannot participate in Ultimates, it is because they either don't have the time or don't want to. They are not obstructed by other players into not being able to complete ultimates.

Just because of different approach of progging doesn't mean they're incomparable. They never said housing is for everyone (idk where people get the idea) as if people expect savage/ultimate would be as easy as normal mode, you can still do the normal mode if you want (apartment).

There is a prog for housing, by stalking wards for open plots, get your gils ready, and get lucky (oh hey you need lucky in Ultimate/savage too to get good group), etc.
This sounds more like you gave up on Housing just because it seems difficult to get, alr with the assumption you won't ever get it is the artificial block you put up yourself.

Well you aren't literally obstructed to participate in housing bid as well. Can't you just wait to participate in the next lottery session or when they remove fc-restriction in near future? lmao

[Corvus_V]

Just because of different approach of progging doesn't mean they're incomparable. They never said housing is for everyone (idk where people get the idea) as if people expect savage/ultimate would be as easy as normal mode, you can still do the normal mode if you want (apartment).

There is a prog for housing, by stalking wards for open plots, get your gils ready, and get lucky (oh hey you need lucky in Ultimate/savage too to get good group), etc.
This sounds more like you gave up on Housing just because it seems difficult to get, alr with the assumption you won't ever get it is the artificial block you put up yourself.

Well you aren't literally obstructed to participate in housing bid as well. Can't you just wait to participate in the next lottery session or when they remove fc-restriction in near future? lmao

You realize there would have to be nearly 100 more wards to serve all the people who want various sized house, based on averrage bids per plot per ward? And no they arent comparable, finding players is not luck, its networking, neither is progging the fight, what the hell are you even talking about. Checking the wards once a week is prog.. to you?

People get the idea that they will get to participate in a facet of a game by paying to log in and playing and earning the gil necessary to make a purchase. "Idk where people get the idea" lmao. Youre right, I should walk into a store to buy a TV, bring it to the register, the cashier takes my money, looks me dead in the face while moving my TV behind the register and goes "What are you still doing here? Did I tell you you were absolutely gonna have this TV? The guy behind you wants a TV too. Get out." Youre going to tell me your version of housing is somehow more reasonable? From the perspective of people who fund the game in order to play it

Did they tell you they would remove the fc restriction? Does daddy work for square enix? Or do you have some kind of RMT stake in housing you dont want to lose? Whats your deal? Youre a total crackhead outlier in that you think housing should just not be available to people

If youre doing ultimates or something, maybe lay off that and try not to get so absorbed you compare literally everything to ultimates. Its kind of niche dude.

[Dionysius]

Youre a total crackhead outlier in that you think housing should just not be available to people

People in this forum can't chill out and be civil in a discussion. Anyway/// shame on you once FC restriction is lifted. Just wait and see and I'm out of here.

[Corvus_V]

People in this forum can't chill out and be civil in a discussion. Anyway/// shame on you once FC restriction is lifted. Just wait and see and I'm out of here.

Youre right. I apologize. Ill be more civil. After World firsts, no one should ever be able to attempt Ultimates ever again. Civil opinion, good idea. Great discussion. Feel good about it? No? Why would I think that? Because. Not good enough for you? Where did these people ever get the idea that they are guaranteed to attempt Ultimates?

Well youre not being civil, I have to compare everything to my housing experience, which is to say I dont have one because theyre all held, so I cant bid on houses that dont exist until they (add more wards/make another ultimate). Theres your prog/development. They add an ultimate every couple years. Cant you just wait for the next one to come out? What are you, impatient?

Please, man, apply yourself. You dont live inside Square Enixs pocket. Housing does not need to be miserable.

[YuzuyuVolanti]

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Well, no, not really, lol. If you bought a small house with the intent to transfer to a larger house, they've already all been bought out in Ishgard, save for a few FC mediums. You'd need to wait for auto-demo (which is currently off, and rare in larges), or wait for someone to randomly they decide they want to abandon their brand-new Medium or Large.

All that aside; there's 18 wards for FCs to fill until 6.2, which is several months away. In that time, it's likely that all of those plots will fill. Any that are empty will have, most likely, dozens or more bids each. Then you have to win the lottery.

We've spent since the Firmament preparing. In this scenario, years have been spent "prepping" and "progging", but realistically, there is no guarantee you will "clear". You could be good at clicking a placard repetitively and never going to the bathroom before, or fast at relocating, but in the current system you literally can't be "better" or "more skilled". You place a bid. You wait 5 days. You lose. You wait 4 days. You place another bid on another house, you wait 5 days. You get the point. You could go quite literally years in this situation without getting a better home because you lost to a random number generator. There's no mechanics at play here. This is more akin to the Cactpot (except you don't even get to choose your own number, it's assigned based on bid order) than it is to any Savage or Ultimate. I can learn those. I can learn to move and be absolutely perfect and precise, with practice. You can't learn or get better at a lottery. You can just keep playing and hope the odds land in your favour. I have played the Cactpot for 2 years, and I have yet to get better than just above the consolation prize.

I can't get better at Cactpot, either. Why? Because it's also an RNG lottery system. There's no improving at it. You can't get "better" at a random number generator unless you literally hack it so it always rolls in your favor.


This might have been comparable in the old system, where you could simply be faster and have a better machine/internet connection/ping than everyone else and sprint to the plot you wanted, on a route you charted out before-hand and relocate to your plot. But, that's no longer an option. They did consider a 50/50 split for lottery, but there's no telling whether they'll do that, whether the non-lotto plots will allow transfers, etc. And even at the end of all that, we still need to wait until 6.2 for the re-evaluation- where, currently, if any player from wards 1-18 in any zone relocate, their former plot is now -1 player plot, meaning there will be less player houses up for grabs, at least until that point. It's a diminishing pool as it is now.

When it finally does unlock, we'll be fortunate if there's anything left in Ishgard at all. Your arguments make me wonder if you're just trying to bait people for the sake of grief, but I honestly can't tell.

[Dionysius]

Well, no, not really, lol. If you bought a small house with the intent to transfer to a larger house, they've already all been bought out in Ishgard, save for a few FC mediums. You'd need to wait for auto-demo (which is currently off, and rare in larges), or wait for someone to randomly they decide they want to abandon their brand-new Medium or Large.

I'm not sure about your server, but at least here I can find new plots opening up quite often every week back when auto-demolition still up and running.
Most people that I'm playing with managed to get one with patience. That's where my argument came from.

I think they should keep the auto-demolition running more than not though.

[Fleap]

auto-demolition

It's off. Its been off for four months. Its going to be off for an unforeseeable amount of time; they haven't even announced when it *might* go back on. Probably not until certain world conflicts are figured out.

And even then its going to take another 40 days after it gets turned on to see houses come up. And even THEN its not enough to accommodate everyone, so go back to Yuzuyu's statement that there will be dozens, maybe even hundreds depending on the server, of entries on any house that does come up.

What is your personal reason for supporting the current system? Is it clout, being able to say you own a house? Does it make you feel like people envy you? Is it that it's "rare" so you wanted it, but if it stopped being "rare" or giving you perceived "status" you would not be interested in it anymore? This is the question I want to ask anyone who supports the system in the here-and-now. I want the deep down answer too, not "Oh my RP character..." thousands have RP characters. "Oh my venue..." there's a new person in FF every day wanting to start a venue. "I earned it by camping and clicking." So did many others, and the same people that failed at winning were there clicking with you, stewing in the frustration to end in disappointment.

I saw an interaction in my server's Limsa the other day where a player was bragging about a house and another player just kept saying 'okay.' "I have a house." Okay. "I had it decorated by so-and-so." Okay. When the player who owned it asked if the others wanted to come visit, "Okay" turned to "No" and I have never seen someone get so aggressive as fast as I saw the homeowning player get aggressive. People in this game no longer hear "I have a house" and go "Cool!" They hear "I have a house" and think about the months, year, years they have been trying and failing to get one and in doing so have realized that they don't really care about the home-owning "status symbol" anymore. Most of the people posting don't want a house for bragging rights, they want a house to further experience a part of the game that apartments and FC rooms only gave them a tiny taste of. They feel blocked from content for a game that they are paying their hard-earned dollars for and they are not wrong. On top of that, you don't even need to spend much time on this forum to realize that there is a divide growing between the house-owning vs houseless population, and its really starting to cause some serious contention in our communities.

If for absolutely NOTHING else than community synergy and removing one element that is causing a rift, wouldn't it be best to make sure everyone has a darn house?! I'm willing to bet that if everyone could, even if you left some surface wards attached as something to strive for with the rest being another form of housing, the majority of people "complaining" would become a tiny minority very, very fast.

[Dionysius]

You don't even need to spend much time on this forum to realize that there is a divide growing between the house-owning vs houseless population, and its really starting to cause some serious contention in our communities.

I've been in the forum since HW, since people asking for instanced housing, and they came up with Apartment. Oh why not just give everyone large houses?
WELL... Obviously easier said than done. Sqex doesn't have servers like AGS/Google, there are limitations, etc. Housing for everyone will have complication to other stuff like reduced item limit back from 400 to 100 per house.
We already seen what happened to Male Hrothgar's ears when they got too busy with MViera and FHroth. Old elezen running animation never got revamp, and etc.

It' about being realistic, they can't produce "Housing for everyone" out of thin air, there must be cost tied behind it. Before you said why sqex small indie dev, being so stingy with workforce and money ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe?.
I'd never want to find out what we'll lose if we ever get "Housing for everyone" lol.

[Oizen]

I've been in the forum since HW, since people asking for instanced housing, and they came up with Apartment. Oh why not just give everyone large houses?
WELL... Obviously easier said than done. Sqex doesn't have servers like AGS/Google, there are limitations, etc. Housing for everyone will have complication to other stuff like reduced item limit back from 400 to 100 per house.
We already seen what happened to Male Hrothgar's ears when they got too busy with MViera and FHroth. Old elezen running animation never got revamp, and etc.

It' about being realistic, they can't produce "Housing for everyone" out of thin air, there must be cost tied behind it. Before you said why sqex small indie dev, being so stingy with workforce and money ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe?.
I'd never want to find out what we'll lose if we ever get "Housing for everyone" lol.

I don't think them being lazy when it comes to adding ears to exiisting hair is the exact same thing as the dumpster fire that is the housing system.
And it IS them being Lazy with those hairs, there really isn't any excuse for that.

The problem with the housing system is the core of it is broken, and they keep trying to patch it up and bandaid fix it rather than replace it with a permanent solution, and every time they bandaid fix it or expand upon it the problem only gets larger.