New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[Belauron]

The thing is tho, can you blame them, is it a stupid mentality to have, god Yes

But some will be very salty about the whole thing and their feelings are valid, To some the whole in the same boat is a slap in the face.

(had an image of Hrothgar in the 3rd class section locked behind a gate - Titanic movie scene)

As Viera never had to spend real money to change their hair (plus most players didn't know Hroth had to Fanta to change), and are lot could be thinking if Male Viera weren't added would we have our ears at least...

It's all if, buts and maybes of course

Plus really they only got one "free" new hairstyle off the bat so a new player only gets 3 styles to choose from (not counting a braid and a curl as its the same cut)
one of the styles is on the Mogstation so even after no longer needing a Fanta to change their style they still need to fork out real money to get it (now that's a kick in the teeth)
And one is from a raid so unless you're lucky for it to pop in the DF and you then win the roll you will never wear it anyways.
As I'm sure not a lot of Hrothgar players were rolling on it when the raid was relevant.

(And I really can't recall where the other 2 are located from going to bug me now)

Plus one extra facial feature per face, I mean face two got painted on eyebrows...

[Allegor]

Each hrothgar head was molded with slight different proportions, so the hair was also molded to the faces locking them into place. For them be able to be changed with gil, they'll need to be re adapted to each face aside their original one since most will look too big or too small, some even floating, depending of the face.

All that said, considering they over-adapted the 2B and 9S hairstyles, they could have done it too or even doing it first before the "earlesspocalypse 2022" and avoided a lot of trouble...

Fairly certain that's what most of us were expecting. I mean, actually new hairstyles would've been great, but would've definitely settle for using the other face's hairstyles and call it a day. At least we can now switch between the ones that share a face without fantasia.

[Fukuro]

HAH! "Viera and hrothgar sit in the same boat" they most certainly DO NOT.

When was the last time Viera was FORCED to use a fantasia just to make a basic change to their character? When was the last time Viera had their ears chopped off to be given subpar hairstyles that look bad on the race?

oh wait, viera has never had to deal with either of those problems. they may be in the "same boat" as far as hats and helmets are concerned, but Viera as a whole have received far more attention and have been given quality hairstyles that don't remove a racial feature for the sake of streamlining the addition of hairstyles that literally no one asked for.

I know you are frustrated, since the situation for Hrothgar is obviously worse. But I still think we are in the same boat, since hardly any of the new hairstyles added are popular and poorly fitted to the races (albeit Hrothgar is still worse, but both are poorly done). Both races have been given promises, which have not been kept. We should support each other, since we can sympathize with each other.
If I ask for more hairstyles, I do so for both races.

I kind of get sad when I see people jumping on another race.(not talking about you in particular)
Stop blaming each other, when a multi million company sits behind the decisions…

[Chikatsu]

I know you are frustrated, since the situation for Hrothgar is obviously worse. But I still think we are in the same boat, since hardly any of the new hairstyles added are popular and poorly fitted to the races (albeit Hrothgar is still worse, but both are poorly done). Both races have been given promises, which have not been kept. We should support each other, since we can sympathize with each other.
If I ask for more hairstyles, I do so for both races.

I kind of get sad when I see people jumping on another race.(not talking about you in particular)
Stop blaming each other, when a multi million company sits behind the decisions…

we aren't really in the same boat, it's more that we are in the same body of water. Viera have a rowboat with a single paddle, Hrothgar are on a slowly sinking dinghy, and everyone else is zipping around on a brand new jet ski.

[BrokentoothMarch]

we aren't really in the same boat, it's more that we are in the same body of water. Viera have a rowboat with a single paddle, Hrothgar are on a slowly sinking dinghy, and everyone else is zipping around on a brand new jet ski.

Don't touch my jetski, filthy feline.

On a serious note: It's rather mindboggling this is still this much an issue and the response from the devs was an eyeroll and a "FINE, but you're gonna have to be patient and wait for more than three hairstyles a year! It's very hard! Don't look at modders, shut up!". I feel for Hrothgars, I really do. I adore Lala's, but my next choice was Hroth when they released for the same reasons I always leaned towards Charrs in GW2. Though, and it's both sad and staggering to say, Charrs are far better treated than their Japanese counterparts here...

[Fukuro]

we aren't really in the same boat, it's more that we are in the same body of water. Viera have a rowboat with a single paddle, Hrothgar are on a slowly sinking dinghy, and everyone else is zipping around on a brand new jet ski.

That analogy made me laugh! Well I must agree. My original point I was trying to make is that we are in this together and we should join forces and not envy the other. While Viera in fact are better of, both of the races deserve better quality! I also think Hrothgar have a higher prio at the moment with their ears literally cut off…

[Midareyukki]

Honestly yeah. Like, I'm sorry to all of you Viera players, but saying "we're all in the same boat" just deletes all the problems that actually come in said boat.

Because that boat has a hierarchy. And we're not in the same levels. You guys get to walk around the top side, breathe fresh air. Hrothgars have to stay in the bottom, with a hole in the hull ready to burst and sink. You may think "If the ship sinks, we all sink". Yeah, but we sink first and our escape is blocked off. You guys at least get the chance to hop out to safety. . . . weird analogy, I know. Probably a bit more dramatic than it needs to be. Still, that is how it feels.

Keep in mind also that the dev team has been giving us the stink-eye for the past year. Viera... I'm sure they feel exhasperated, but they do try to be courteous toward you. Sure, still a kick in the teeth in the end, but they're at least being polite about it. They don't even bother with us.

And the community up until very recently forgot Hrothgars existed. I kept on shouting "We need Fantasias to change hairstyles", but no one listened. They only woke the hell up when this fiasco started. 3 years after we were both in game.

And as I mentioned before. In the communities I was in, and around these forums, I've never seen a Hrothgar beg for Female Hrothgar as hard as people begged for Male Viera. What I did see was people demand for their current races to be fixed before adding in new stuff and make more players feel bad. Guess who won out in the end. Not that we didn't want females, our whole lore is around Queens. But we didn't want people to experience what we were and are going through.

I personally will still support Vieras being finished. But please understand that no, the treatment has not been the same at all. And that saying "we're on the same boat " isn't helping us at all. You will be heard far quicker than we ever will. Keep that in mind.

...god I sound like those people who shout about privilege... but it is the truth :T

[BrokentoothMarch]

Snip.

I think the "same boat" has some merit that cannot be denied. Not for the effort disparity between you two, but the fact that such an obscenely powerful and successful MMO has no excuse for having any incomplete races, let alone 3 years after their release. I once again bring up GW2 and their Charr which are a strong deviation from some of their other humanoid races, yet are still able to be catered to like their counterparts. With a fraction of the success and budget and an equal age, one has to wonder: What's the excuse? Why does SE release not one, but two incomplete races? Why does neither seem to get adequate progress that puts them on the roadmap to completion? While it's undeniable Viera are getting more work done than Hroth, it's also pathetic the amount of time said work took. This is just sad. Both races will be complete a week before the game shutters at this rate.

[aveyond-dreams]

The only race more limited than Hrothgar looks to be the new WoW dragon race announced today, which appears to be able to equip something on their heads and chest, that's it.

[Midareyukki]

I think the "same boat" has some merit that cannot be denied. Not for the effort disparity between you two, but the fact that such an obscenely powerful and successful MMO has no excuse for having any incomplete races, let alone 3 years after their release.

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And I don't deny it. Not personally. But I also don't stop at the mere mention of it. I keep seeing a lot of players think that we Hrothgar are villifying Viera for no reason. When in reality we just see the disparity between how we're both treated, and people forget that it exists. People just look at us and think "Those two are both in the dump". And it's true: we both are.

But attention falls heavily on Viera players, while Hrothgar players are often cast aside, and their actual issues are brushed off like they don't exist. People just think Hrothgar problems are the exact same as Viera, which they aren't. Not even the devs have said anything about Hrothgar needing to pay real money to change hairstyle, which served to further hide the problem away from the rest of the community.

It's as I said: I will support Vieras regardless. Because they too are indeed in the dumpster, and it doesn't matter if my race is bad or not, they have issues too and Square hasn't done anything AT ALL to address them. Instead they just made a new gender for them which has the exact same issues. Even if they're preferred by the majority of the playerbase, even if the devs pay more attention to their issues, even if they're the first to get updates, at the end of the day they're still getting low-effort stuff too.

But just because that happens, don't discredit the fact that the races aren't on equal footing either. Because as much as they too are having a shaft from the devs, Hrothgar players are shafted harder. Low effort content is bad, but the amount of effort put into Hrothgar is so low it's drilled a hole to China. And the aforementioned erasure and ignorance toward Hrothgar's problems served to make the race feel even worse than it had any need to be. That's really all there is to it. We do agree we are on the same boat... but we don't stop there, and even if we are on the same boat on the outside, on the inside it feels like a sore thing to touch on. Because we don't feel equal in the boat.

Support should go both ways, and neither race should be above one another. Just as much as Viera shouldn't stand taller than Hyur, or Hyur to Au Ra, or Au Ra to Roegadyn or Roegadyn to Miqo'te. Lalafell on the other hand reign supreme, let's all face it >.> nothing would be done without Tataru.