Make old Feast rewards grindable through Ranked Crystalline Conflict

[ErockSnips]

I think it's personally an awful idea, as someone that spent a tremendous amount of time and effort, while getting super frustrated grinding for top 100 in a previous season. I think it would be silly to just give it out to everyone for simply placing in gold, or reskinning them at all. While they are at it, they might as well unsync ultimate weapons, and just allow everyone to EZ clear them.

People spend a lot of time and effort, it's fine if you didn't like old pvp or want to do it, but they already took any enticing rewards away from top 100 placements. A simple adventure plate and currency you can farm easily by just spamming casual play or any other form of pvp. Not to mention the fact that the trophy rewards are just reskinned AF gear, and nothing unique or interesting. I get they were cool armor sets, but that doesn't mean they should just hand it out like candy, they are already handing out all of the Wolf Collar weapons basically for free, all you do is spam some casual play for awhile, and you should be able to buy a ton of them in a few hours of grinding it out.

I hope they leave all the top 100 rewards locked, and don't release reskins, it sounds like a terrible idea that will make the efforts of people that pushed hard for top 100 in the past to be meaningless entirely.

This issue is that they are no longer obtainable. FOMO is an awful thing in games. Make it harder to get now, make it a massive grind, but everything should ALWAYS be available to obtain in some way shape or form. The fact that only 100 players per datacenter can ever actually 100% complete their mount collection for example, isn't a good thing.

[Rufalus]

I hope they leave all the top 100 rewards locked, and don't release reskins, it sounds like a terrible idea that will make the efforts of people that pushed hard for top 100 in the past to be meaningless entirely.

Not totally meaningless. You got the satisfaction of winning, plus achievements and titles that aren't obtainable any more. Plus you got to use the mount or glam years before it was available to more than 100 people.

[Canadane]

This issue is that they are no longer obtainable.

That's okay in an MMO imo.

[Ilisidi]

Put them into the series pass, as level 25 reward

[ErockSnips]

That's okay in an MMO imo.

I disagree, I don't think anything should be like that, especially a game with collectibles, things should be brutally hard and time consuming to get, but they should never be time limited, or limited quantity, if you want to collect every mount and minion, you should be able to, not just MOST. Otherwise whats the point of getting more than the ones you specifically want? A person should only ever be locked out of things because of raw skill, not artificial limitations. I would go so far as to include things like pre order bonuses as well, but, while thats another time based thing, its also a real money purchase, but for skill based things SPECIFCALLY, if you have the skill you should be able to get it. Because lets be honest getting top 100 isn't skill based its how much time do you have to play games. You do have to win, but someone who wins 10% of 1000 games will always get it over someone who wins 50% of 100

[Flaws]

OP is proposing new incentives to take ranked PvP more seriously to the new audience FFXIV PvP is getting. PvP in FFXIV has been unpopular for a long time and the Feast was a niche gamemode which was ridden with botting, boosting, win-trading and other such sorts of cheating. Players were uninterested in PvP and Feast in general let alone grinding for top 100 and the fact that Feast is entirely gone from the game now is a testament to that. However we're now seeing a huge increase in interest in PvP because of Crystalline Conflict (CC) and the rework of every job in PvP. Considering the nature of FFXIV and the way it keeps old content from as far back as ARR relevant in a variety of ways, its only appropriate that PvP related content is designed the same way.

Very few things are time-gated in this game and thats one of the best things about it considering the rest of the gaming landscape nowadays. I would argue that old Feast top 100 players should have their unique titles that separate them from the new PvP players but the rest of the rewards should always remain obtainable in a pool of ever expanding rewards for higher level players to choose from. FOMO is a terrible practice in modern gaming and I'd say that this game is a sort of safe haven from that. Such an addition would only expand on the game's low-pressure direction and on the PvP modes in general. All of those items should be made accessible once more in some shape or form even if its not necessarily the way OP proposes it.

[Reimmi]

I propose a compromise to both sides:
Recolors of the sets that aren't dyeable
And recolors of the mounts

This way they keep their unique status but the models aren't locked behind 0.01% of the playerbase

[redheadturk]

I propose a compromise to both sides:
Recolors of the sets that aren't dyeable
And recolors of the mounts

This way they keep their unique status but the models aren't locked behind 0.01% of the playerbase

Eh, no. Dyeable recolors, please. Or at least a way to *unlock* dyeing for the recolors.

[Teno]

I think it's personally an awful idea, as someone that spent a tremendous amount of time and effort, while getting super frustrated grinding for top 100 in a previous season. I think it would be silly to just give it out to everyone for simply placing in gold, or reskinning them at all. While they are at it, they might as well unsync ultimate weapons, and just allow everyone to EZ clear them.

People spend a lot of time and effort, it's fine if you didn't like old pvp or want to do it, but they already took any enticing rewards away from top 100 placements. A simple adventure plate and currency you can farm easily by just spamming casual play or any other form of pvp. Not to mention the fact that the trophy rewards are just reskinned AF gear, and nothing unique or interesting. I get they were cool armor sets, but that doesn't mean they should just hand it out like candy, they are already handing out all of the Wolf Collar weapons basically for free, all you do is spam some casual play for awhile, and you should be able to buy a ton of them in a few hours of grinding it out.

I hope they leave all the top 100 rewards locked, and don't release reskins, it sounds like a terrible idea that will make the efforts of people that pushed hard for top 100 in the past to be meaningless entirely.

This is always the same argument. Because someone spends an inordinate amount of time and effort on a clunky grind, only THEY would be entitled to these rewards ? The way they do it this season is right, and I sure hope they bring back those sets of gear that nobody has anymore.

[Siddiax]

I disagree, I don't think anything should be like that, especially a game with collectibles, things should be brutally hard and time consuming to get, but they should never be time limited, or limited quantity, if you want to collect every mount and minion, you should be able to, not just MOST. Otherwise whats the point of getting more than the ones you specifically want? A person should only ever be locked out of things because of raw skill, not artificial limitations. I would go so far as to include things like pre order bonuses as well, but, while thats another time based thing, its also a real money purchase, but for skill based things SPECIFCALLY, if you have the skill you should be able to get it. Because lets be honest getting top 100 isn't skill based its how much time do you have to play games. You do have to win, but someone who wins 10% of 1000 games will always get it over someone who wins 50% of 100

Very few things are time-gated in this game and thats one of the best things about it considering the rest of the gaming landscape nowadays. I would argue that old Feast top 100 players should have their unique titles that separate them from the new PvP players but the rest of the rewards should always remain obtainable in a pool of ever expanding rewards for higher level players to choose from. FOMO is a terrible practice in modern gaming and I'd say that this game is a sort of safe haven from that. Such an addition would only expand on the game's low-pressure direction and on the PvP modes in general. All of those items should be made accessible once more in some shape or form even if its not necessarily the way OP proposes it.

Exactly what I had in mind. As you both have said, FOMO has no place in this game, much less having PvP be the main example of it. Can't really think of anything else, much less on this scale, other than the pre-order bonuses that ErockSnips mentioned or the Pre-ARR stuff.