Make old Feast rewards grindable through Ranked Crystalline Conflict

[Lemonscented]

I think it's personally an awful idea, as someone that spent a tremendous amount of time and effort, while getting super frustrated grinding for top 100 in a previous season. I think it would be silly to just give it out to everyone for simply placing in gold, or reskinning them at all. While they are at it, they might as well unsync ultimate weapons, and just allow everyone to EZ clear them.

People spend a lot of time and effort, it's fine if you didn't like old pvp or want to do it, but they already took any enticing rewards away from top 100 placements. A simple adventure plate and currency you can farm easily by just spamming casual play or any other form of pvp. Not to mention the fact that the trophy rewards are just reskinned AF gear, and nothing unique or interesting. I get they were cool armor sets, but that doesn't mean they should just hand it out like candy, they are already handing out all of the Wolf Collar weapons basically for free, all you do is spam some casual play for awhile, and you should be able to buy a ton of them in a few hours of grinding it out.

I hope they leave all the top 100 rewards locked, and don't release reskins, it sounds like a terrible idea that will make the efforts of people that pushed hard for top 100 in the past to be meaningless entirely.

[Alaray]

I think it's personally an awful idea, as someone that spent a tremendous amount of time and effort, while getting super frustrated grinding for top 100 in a previous season. I think it would be silly to just give it out to everyone for simply placing in gold, or reskinning them at all. While they are at it, they might as well unsync ultimate weapons, and just allow everyone to EZ clear them.

People spend a lot of time and effort, it's fine if you didn't like old pvp or want to do it, but they already took any enticing rewards away from top 100 placements. A simple adventure plate and currency you can farm easily by just spamming casual play or any other form of pvp. Not to mention the fact that the trophy rewards are just reskinned AF gear, and nothing unique or interesting. I get they were cool armor sets, but that doesn't mean they should just hand it out like candy, they are already handing out all of the Wolf Collar weapons basically for free, all you do is spam some casual play for awhile, and you should be able to buy a ton of them in a few hours of grinding it out.

I hope they leave all the top 100 rewards locked, and don't release reskins, it sounds like a terrible idea that will make the efforts of people that pushed hard for top 100 in the past to be meaningless entirely.

I think the comparison to unsync Ultimate isn't really an accurate one, since you can always go and do Ultimate (that, and, older Ultimates have become a lot easier over time due to potency changes/new jobs that work extremely well in them/etc...) what you can't do is go back and do the Feast for the armor sets. Personally speaking, I'm on the fence when it comes to fully re-releasing old Feast top 100 sets of gear -- would I like the sets? Of course, they fit one of the two aesthetics I tend to lean heavily into, and there aren't a lot of sets outside of this one piece of content where that aesthetic is used again (from the more black/red with the stylized knight-like pieces that can be used on any Job, to the set that reminded me of a Garlean Legatus that one season). And while I do like PvP in most titles I play, I just hate how it felt in XIV at the time and never wanted to deal with the server ticks in content that's supposed to feel more reactionary to your opponent.

That said, I do understand that people put value on things they achieved and the rewards that came with them and I know those sets were extremely desired from the general playerbase as a whole (even when announced), but those are the examples of the only things in the game you can never achieve ever again aside from Legacy items (even if someone did fulfill the requirements of being ranked top 100 the next season). Which, I don't think that's entirely a good thing and I feel like there is probably a compromise that can be made that doesn't cheapen the reward, but allows it to still be attainable (ie.: Maybe every season, if you get top 100 in the premier ranked game mode, or a particular rank tier, you can have the option to pick one? Since the achievement is, still, ultimately the same).

[ErockSnips]

I think it's personally an awful idea, as someone that spent a tremendous amount of time and effort, while getting super frustrated grinding for top 100 in a previous season. I think it would be silly to just give it out to everyone for simply placing in gold, or reskinning them at all. While they are at it, they might as well unsync ultimate weapons, and just allow everyone to EZ clear them.

People spend a lot of time and effort, it's fine if you didn't like old pvp or want to do it, but they already took any enticing rewards away from top 100 placements. A simple adventure plate and currency you can farm easily by just spamming casual play or any other form of pvp. Not to mention the fact that the trophy rewards are just reskinned AF gear, and nothing unique or interesting. I get they were cool armor sets, but that doesn't mean they should just hand it out like candy, they are already handing out all of the Wolf Collar weapons basically for free, all you do is spam some casual play for awhile, and you should be able to buy a ton of them in a few hours of grinding it out.

I hope they leave all the top 100 rewards locked, and don't release reskins, it sounds like a terrible idea that will make the efforts of people that pushed hard for top 100 in the past to be meaningless entirely.

This issue is that they are no longer obtainable. FOMO is an awful thing in games. Make it harder to get now, make it a massive grind, but everything should ALWAYS be available to obtain in some way shape or form. The fact that only 100 players per datacenter can ever actually 100% complete their mount collection for example, isn't a good thing.

[Canadane]

This issue is that they are no longer obtainable.

That's okay in an MMO imo.

[ErockSnips]

That's okay in an MMO imo.

I disagree, I don't think anything should be like that, especially a game with collectibles, things should be brutally hard and time consuming to get, but they should never be time limited, or limited quantity, if you want to collect every mount and minion, you should be able to, not just MOST. Otherwise whats the point of getting more than the ones you specifically want? A person should only ever be locked out of things because of raw skill, not artificial limitations. I would go so far as to include things like pre order bonuses as well, but, while thats another time based thing, its also a real money purchase, but for skill based things SPECIFCALLY, if you have the skill you should be able to get it. Because lets be honest getting top 100 isn't skill based its how much time do you have to play games. You do have to win, but someone who wins 10% of 1000 games will always get it over someone who wins 50% of 100

[Siddiax]

I disagree, I don't think anything should be like that, especially a game with collectibles, things should be brutally hard and time consuming to get, but they should never be time limited, or limited quantity, if you want to collect every mount and minion, you should be able to, not just MOST. Otherwise whats the point of getting more than the ones you specifically want? A person should only ever be locked out of things because of raw skill, not artificial limitations. I would go so far as to include things like pre order bonuses as well, but, while thats another time based thing, its also a real money purchase, but for skill based things SPECIFCALLY, if you have the skill you should be able to get it. Because lets be honest getting top 100 isn't skill based its how much time do you have to play games. You do have to win, but someone who wins 10% of 1000 games will always get it over someone who wins 50% of 100

Very few things are time-gated in this game and thats one of the best things about it considering the rest of the gaming landscape nowadays. I would argue that old Feast top 100 players should have their unique titles that separate them from the new PvP players but the rest of the rewards should always remain obtainable in a pool of ever expanding rewards for higher level players to choose from. FOMO is a terrible practice in modern gaming and I'd say that this game is a sort of safe haven from that. Such an addition would only expand on the game's low-pressure direction and on the PvP modes in general. All of those items should be made accessible once more in some shape or form even if its not necessarily the way OP proposes it.

Exactly what I had in mind. As you both have said, FOMO has no place in this game, much less having PvP be the main example of it. Can't really think of anything else, much less on this scale, other than the pre-order bonuses that ErockSnips mentioned or the Pre-ARR stuff.

[Canadane]

I disagree, I don't think anything should be like that, especially a game with collectibles, things should be brutally hard and time consuming to get, but they should never be time limited, or limited quantity, if you want to collect every mount and minion, you should be able to, not just MOST. Otherwise whats the point of getting more than the ones you specifically want? A person should only ever be locked out of things because of raw skill, not artificial limitations. I would go so far as to include things like pre order bonuses as well, but, while thats another time based thing, its also a real money purchase, but for skill based things SPECIFCALLY, if you have the skill you should be able to get it. Because lets be honest getting top 100 isn't skill based its how much time do you have to play games. You do have to win, but someone who wins 10% of 1000 games will always get it over someone who wins 50% of 100

An MMO is a living breathing world, where not everything is going to be available all the time.
Don't look at it as a collectathon. FOMO sucks in most games but an MMO is absolutely one that I don't particularly see issue in.

[Teno]

I think it's personally an awful idea, as someone that spent a tremendous amount of time and effort, while getting super frustrated grinding for top 100 in a previous season. I think it would be silly to just give it out to everyone for simply placing in gold, or reskinning them at all. While they are at it, they might as well unsync ultimate weapons, and just allow everyone to EZ clear them.

People spend a lot of time and effort, it's fine if you didn't like old pvp or want to do it, but they already took any enticing rewards away from top 100 placements. A simple adventure plate and currency you can farm easily by just spamming casual play or any other form of pvp. Not to mention the fact that the trophy rewards are just reskinned AF gear, and nothing unique or interesting. I get they were cool armor sets, but that doesn't mean they should just hand it out like candy, they are already handing out all of the Wolf Collar weapons basically for free, all you do is spam some casual play for awhile, and you should be able to buy a ton of them in a few hours of grinding it out.

I hope they leave all the top 100 rewards locked, and don't release reskins, it sounds like a terrible idea that will make the efforts of people that pushed hard for top 100 in the past to be meaningless entirely.

This is always the same argument. Because someone spends an inordinate amount of time and effort on a clunky grind, only THEY would be entitled to these rewards ? The way they do it this season is right, and I sure hope they bring back those sets of gear that nobody has anymore.

[BrokentoothMarch]

This is always the same argument. Because someone spends an inordinate amount of time and effort on a clunky grind, only THEY would be entitled to these rewards ? The way they do it this season is right, and I sure hope they bring back those sets of gear that nobody has anymore.

Plus, I'll say it: It's hardly a show of skill. This game was never conducive to PvP and we all know how bad the win-trading and botting was in the Feast scenes. So much so that it cleaned out the queue. Which then lends to the second problem: "But I didn't win trade or bot!" Good. So your main achievement was a willingness to wait in +30m queues. How... impressive.

I never understood this concept. I did my Shared Fates and Eurekan quests. If it was declared that Shared Fates were now gone and everyone has access to the gem shop and whatnot? I don't care. I made my money. And I still have access to my crafts. If Eureka was boiled down even more that NMs could effectively be solo'd? Sure, I feel like my trophy armor would be less special, but ultimately, it's not a big deal. As it turns out, other people being able to have something I have doesn't suddenly make me not have it.

Of course, the main difference here is that nothing is stopping you from doing your FATES or Eureka quests, but there's a random rule that says 'lmao no more mounts'. So the equivalency is tenuous. I just hope the spirit of what I'm saying gets across.

[Lemonscented]

Plus, I'll say it: It's hardly a show of skill. This game was never conducive to PvP and we all know how bad the win-trading and botting was in the Feast scenes. So much so that it cleaned out the queue. Which then lends to the second problem: "But I didn't win trade or bot!" Good. So your main achievement was a willingness to wait in +30m queues. How... impressive.

I never understood this concept. I did my Shared Fates and Eurekan quests. If it was declared that Shared Fates were now gone and everyone has access to the gem shop and whatnot? I don't care. I made my money. And I still have access to my crafts. If Eureka was boiled down even more that NMs could effectively be solo'd? Sure, I feel like my trophy armor would be less special, but ultimately, it's not a big deal. As it turns out, other people being able to have something I have doesn't suddenly make me not have it.

Of course, the main difference here is that nothing is stopping you from doing your FATES or Eureka quests, but there's a random rule that says 'lmao no more mounts'. So the equivalency is tenuous. I just hope the spirit of what I'm saying gets across.

The difference is Eureka is just a time investment, Idk what pvp you have been watching, but it requires you to put in immense effort, and actually get good at it. You don't just queue and gain points, lose points, and flip flop over and over. You are required to put in the time to learn your class in pvp, how to play around other classes on your team and on the other team.
It is dishonest to say "You just queue for 30 minutes, and that was all you did" if that was all it was, people wouldn't have bothered cheating or win trading.