What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

[Thoosa]

Imo ff14 is no longer applying the definition of a Holy Trinity Mmo with clearly defined roles, like for example:

“This is a healer, this role has a set of tools to heal the party (the primary responsibility of a healer is to heal and dps second). Content is designed to require this role as part of the party in order to complete the content”.

“This is a dps - this role has a set of skills to burn down things to beat an enrage or some other timer”.

“This is a tank, this role requires to keep the focus of the boss/mobs on themselves and to stay alive using cds and to interrupt deadly casts”.

Healers are already becoming less required in much of the content, how long before tanks are obsolete? Will they just make certain dps roles wear tankier gear? Are they trying to remove the whole trinity and create an ESO like system?

[Nethereal]

Imo ff14 is no longer applying the definition of a Holy Trinity Mmo with clearly defined roles, like for example:
“This is a dps - this role has a set of skills to burn down things to beat an enrage or some other timer”.

Maybe my apathy to the healing situation has grown over the years but I just realized after reading this the way current healers are designed in ffxiv they no longer(if it ever did) fit the holy trinity definition of healer.

In other games where healing was engaging, dangerous, and fun my entire existence & my sole job was to keep everyone alive and to keep my debuff on the boss up.

Sure I had a damage combo for leveling but I never used it because the risks were nowhere near the reward, I did little damage and the boss would either 1-3 shot me.
Instead I devoted my self to keeping my tank & dps alive so they could kill the boss, because their job was to make it easier for dps to deal damage & too kill the boss.
My miniscule damage while adequate for leveling and defending myself against players paled in comparison to everything else I could & should be doing.

With the way healers are right now in ffxiv if it was any other game they would have no shame in saying they're a dps support class. Being able to do half the total dps of an actual dps with a healer, that's crazy.

In any other game you'd be lucky to be doing even half the damage of a dps as a tank, let alone a healer. And with the way dungeons are being done now healers really are just support dps at this point.

It really just comes back to Yoshi's vision: All encompassing inclusion.

There can exist no boarders, no walls, no job requirements, and no tests for such a thing to be possible and by doing so you loosen the restrictions on class identity.
Tanks are tanky healers, healers are support dps, and dps are just the same as the last two except their mechanic is actually having a real rotation instead of healing and whatever tanks have left to do.

[Kolsykol]

It's interesting to see the disconnect on the forums to what I see ingame and what Streamers reactions are ( especially old WoW Streamers ).

On the forums '' omg I can't believe this patch so little content worst ever '', ingame and Streamers '' wow there's so much content I am amazed I love all of this it's incredible ''.
I get the disappointment with Job changes/ lack of in some cases and the Hrothgar ears or housing stuff ( altho people who got ultra mad were also for the most part wrong about what even went wrong too... ).
But there's a pretty insane level of discrepancy between what I see on the forums and basically everywhere else.

I just dunno what it is, I have problems with some stuff too the SAM changes are still completely baffling to me.
But in the *grand* scheme of things it's minor issues especially compared to problems other MMO's are having.
PvP In FFXIV isn't exactly my jam either but based on what I've seen at least it has been overwhelmingly positively received and every time I go to the Wolves Den I can't load in everyone it's perpetually overflooded with people PvP:ing.

In the end of the day if you're not having fun with the game then maybe it's time for a break or rethink because some people here just seem miserable and like playing for them is a chore.
And people who play other MMO's have a lot of the same thoughts too or even worse, I think a lot of this is a grass is always greener type of situation.
I mean holy hell especially when it comes to balance in GW2 it's a complete nightmare and has made me quit so many times before, there's issues that have been around since day 1 of the game that goes totally ignored and even gets made worse at times.

Healers are already becoming less required in much of the content, how long before tanks are obsolete? Will they just make certain dps roles wear tankier gear? Are they trying to remove the whole trinity and create an ESO like system?

I really feel like healing fluctuates wildly, I healed P3S last week on SGE for the first time healing in Savage and it felt easy.
Today I did it with WHM and it felt like a complete nightmare and we kept wiping because the SGE just didn't shield at all I literally got one shot by the fountain lol and it happened multiple times.
That wasn't the only issue tho I dunno wtf people were doing but there were people dropping a lot and very suddenly.

I don't rly have a problem with that if people are actually screwing up, but if people aren't then it often feels like you don't have much to do other than spam 1.
Not gonna lie tho, part of me is also scared to death of what it'd be like if healing was actually more difficult and involved.
Especially towards the end of P4S it often feels like we're moments from wiping constantly with A LOT of PF healers.

[PawPaw]

It's interesting to see the disconnect on the forums to what I see ingame and what Streamers reactions are ( especially old WoW Streamers ).

The streamers who have just recently in the past few months come to the game and have almost ten years of content and systems to catch up on? Yes, I'm sure it seems like an avalanche of things to do in their eyes. They also rely on people being happy with their reactions to the game for a living, so I don't really consider their opinions too much when thinking objectively about the game.

[Kolsykol]

The streamers who have just recently in the past few months come to the game and have almost ten years of content and systems to catch up on? Yes, I'm sure it seems like an avalanche of things to do in their eyes. They also rely on people being happy with their reactions to the game for a living, so I don't really consider their opinions too much when thinking objectively about the game.

I am talking about Streamers that are up to date with the game, not Streamers who just started out.
You can make the same argument about reactions with other games too including WoW do you think it wasn't a risk to move over to FFXIV considering how a lot of WoW players talk about the game and what they think of it?
I mean if that's what you're going to think then I dunno how you could ever be convinced otherwise.

Most people who watch WoW Streamers I also don't think want to listen to them rant about how awful the game is constantly but a lot of them still do it.
I dunno what an objective way of thinking would even entail either, it seems to me like some people are incredibly intent on hating the game and being angry about something and it's also influencing how they view and talk about the game too.

[Nethereal]

*snip*

I mean yeah the games amazing if you're just starting out, it's finally complete.

Just wait till they actually finish it, maybe they won't.

Just because most people only go so far up the bridge before turning back doesn't mean it isn't broken.

Healing wouldn't be more difficult. If it was I would be impressed. You can clear most if not all content using only 4 buttons. Lucid, Damage Spell, DoT Spell, Single Target GCD heal, AoE GCD heal.

The efficiency of healing is up to the player, it's gutted because they want to make the skill gap appear lower between healers.