New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[Midareyukki]

The more I read through this thread, the more depressed i get....

Now you know why people got that upset over the hairstyles. People didn't just have to endure 3 years of this, they were paying attention to everything around the races and people coming up with better explanations than the devs, as well as solutions\fixes to these things, with nary a word from official sources.

Still. I just hope this thread is the beginning of more fan support for Hrothgar, really. I feel like that's what's been lacking the most from our end, and obviously without that, Square won't know what to care for and what not to. Because we don't know what sort of filters they use when checking fan demand, but we do know it was incessant shouting that led to Viera as a whole being implemented, as well as Male Viera and Female Hrothgars even being considered. For better and for worse.

[Kelev]

I know.

I'll say it here. I don't get the problem they have with these things. "Oh but we'd have to refit it to every race, that's not very productive".

Spicy Take here:

No, they don’t - at least not at first

See, there’s a problem here. And it’s partially the driver behind this thread and the complaints megathread. I was bandying about the idea of Hrothgar having a hair “flag” that would shorten the length of the hair in the back on some faces if there was a problem with clipping*. And the reply I got was “yeah, but then everyone would want it.”

I agree. I think they would. But that uproar wouldn’t happen if there were some transparency. Any transparency, really.

Square has a real problem with “not yet.” And if a new feature winds up working on Hrothgar or Viera first for a bit, so be it. That doesn’t mean they’re not gonna come back and implement it for the rest of the populace later - they’re almost guaranteed to do it since that’s the majority of the population.

But if a helmet is implemented for Hrothgar or Viera first, that’s ok. I think a lot of what’s been slowing progress on things like Hrothgar and Viera development has been “that If I do it for one, I gotta do it for the other,” and to some extent you do, but do you honestly think that Viera getting a bunch of hairstyles and Hrothgar getting a ton of headgear because one race is easier to implement for than another would be met with cries of bias and unfairness or rather a sign of progress that people were doing Something about it.

So if they implement something for one race before another, so be it. While I am mad that Viera not only got hairstyles that aren’t buggy, clip* with themselves, had more than 8 times the options starting out (32 if you count ears), a whole new gender and then got 6 more options and we got some kind of glandular condition, I’m not going to beat up a Viera in a Denny’s parking lot because I begrudge them that.

1) Good for you, O.G. Viera and Man Buns.
2) I will never be angry when one race gets something and I don’t and you get around to fixing it.
3) What I want to hear is developers say “not yet” more often and I want you to mean it. These new hairstyles were so awful you guys were so ashamed you wouldn’t even show them to us from the side. Or any more than two weeks in advance.

Is it too much to ask that you *either* take pride in your work or just unlock the whole kit and kaboodle and let *us* decide what’s clippy* and awful and doesn’t belong on our heads?

*OR* how about you show us some love first JUST ONE TIME so that you show you designed something Hrothgar first. Just once. And then implement it for everyone else. Because that’s fair.

*clipping is only an excuse when you acknowledge it’s already happening and I have no way of stopping it.

[Neoyoshi]

I feel like the devs just got fed up with all of you and decided to let off some steam.

[Pip_Chick]

I feel like the devs just got fed up with all of you and decided to let off some steam.

And what did we do so bad for them to "let off some steam"?
We also pay for this game like everyone else, so I don't think it would be such a travesty to ask to be treated with the same amount of respect as everyone else.
Especially since the Hrothgar players were the ones who have waited patiently for 3 years and trusted the team. Unlike the male Viera crowd who were sending death threats to the Devs. So why were they not letting off steam on you guys as well, if us respectfully waiting was a reason to "let off steam", why wasn't the male Viera the catalyst for "letting off steam?
I swear people like you are either a troll coming here to berate people about a subject they care about or a massive Hypocrite, cause you know full well that you would be rightfully angry if this happened to the race you play.

[Kelev]

I made a petition for YoshiP to spend a month/PLL as a Hrothgar. We’ll see if it does anything.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ar-for-a-Month

If nothing else, it amuses me. Feel free to write a “me too” if you agree or leave it alone if you don’t.

[Kelev]

I feel like the devs just got fed up with all of you and decided to let off some steam.

I hope whatever made you drop by simply to be unpleasant gets better for you. I’ve definitely had days like that.

[Allegor]

I feel like the devs just got fed up with all of you and decided to let off some steam.

Not to start a flame war or anything, but then they would've let that steam off at the wrong people. Most Hroth players have been patiently waiting because we're aware we're niche, it's the other race that's been loud and demanding all along. That's probably why now Hrothgar players are raising up, many just got fed up with playing nice after everyone else got what they wanted.

This is the part where I'd joke about putting on the Karen hair on my Hroth, but amputating my ears just for that would go against the statement I'm trying to make lol

[Adamantini]

I feel like the devs just got fed up with all of you and decided to let off some steam.

yeah... we who are talking about game's devs only know how to complain... ah, I saw that you're playing as male viera... What can I say except, "You're welcome"

[Aluja89]

I feel like the devs just got fed up with all of you and decided to let off some steam.

If they did it's because of whiners like yourself. Begging, screeching and spamming everywhere about male Viera.

[Baxcel]

And what did we do so bad for them to "let off some steam"?
We also pay for this game like everyone else, so I don't think it would be such a travesty to ask to be treated with the same amount of respect as everyone else.
Especially since the Hrothgar players were the ones who have waited patiently for 3 years and trusted the team. Unlike the male Viera crowd who were sending death threats to the Devs. So why were they not letting off steam on you guys as well, if us respectfully waiting was a reason to "let off steam", why wasn't the male Viera the catalyst for "letting off steam?
I swear people like you are either a troll coming here to berate people about a subject they care about or a massive Hypocrite, cause you know full well that you would be rightfully angry if this happened to the race you play.

To be fair Hrothgar actually pay MORE then the average player seeing as until recently we had to buy a 10$ Fantasia to change anything and still have to pay to change to a default hair style for our race.