Shell FCs are a bigger problem than we think...

[Heh]

Quoting from another thread

Yeah nah, as Jojoya says, this on Materia. (OCE)

Goblet is only one day old here when that picture is taken. No grandfathering.

Same person has done it on all five servers in Materia, taken Goblet 2, five times over.

I can imagine how it would be worse if the zero bug didn't happen, but there is the next round eventually, so everyone expects to see then take the whole ward five times over.

Which is an impressive feat, really. World first at owning anentire DC's housing, easily beating grandfathered <<lucis>> on Spriggin, isn't it?

EDIT: Seems their empire is growing

16-20 homes now on day two of goblet on each of the five servers.

This is just pure sadness. If this is something that is intended and okay according to SQEX, then congratulations guys, Shell FCs wins again in the end.

[Papi_Chai]

How are they so prepared to have all those FC made, with a member with more than 30 days, 4 member, all ready for the 6.1 patch release.

I know of one such organization that does this, Each FC is capable of making 400k a day through Submarine and Airships, with 1 FC per world with the new patch limitations, on top of the FCs they've already acquired before the patch being grandfathered over. With all the account they pay sub for, it make sense that they're doing this for IRL gain, they can wholesale the gil they gain through these FCs making a profit whilst maintaining their Subs on all these accounts.

My speculation is that where there is an IRL gain, there is corruption, it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility that someone in SE is leaking info to said organisations prior to the public announcement so all these characters can prepare for the 6.1 patch ahead of time.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

You could make it so that you need 10 members, people who want the house can just throw in a bunch of alts. All you do with suggesting revoking land from small FC is punish innocent small communities.

Every FC I have ever been in so far never let me do anything, no decorating, no gardening, no subs.. NOTHING. I had to go and make my own FC on my alt and buy an FC house for my friends and I to access that content. It cost me dozens of hours leveling the alt through msq, getting the GC rank etc And then cost me further millions buying a small, moving the plot 4 times till I got a spot I liked and now another 50mill for our large. And it all started with me just wanting to do subs and airships, if they let my private mansion do it I wouldn't have 2 houses right now. But hey I have 2 mansions to decorate.. only took 3 years to get the second mansion and I had my first mansion within 12 months of starting to play.. not the worst I spose.

That said, I have fallen in love with my alt since! I am nearing end of SB msq, did a bunch of glams blah blah. Enjoying a slow pace redoing the story and taking a more RP approach to the game too. My large fc plot shared by a half dozen ppl is serving more people than a lot of large member fc's tbh. Working on the airships and subs as a group is fun, wish I hadn't waited so long to make my alt.

[Jojoya]

How are they so prepared to have all those FC made, with a member with more than 30 days, 4 member, all ready for the 6.1 patch release.

I know of one such organization that does this, Each FC is capable of making 400k a day through Submarine and Airships, with 1 FC per world with the new patch limitations, on top of the FCs they've already acquired before the patch being grandfathered over. With all the account they pay sub for, it make sense that they're doing this for IRL gain, they can wholesale the gil they gain through these FCs making a profit whilst maintaining their Subs on all these accounts.

My speculation is that where there is an IRL gain, there is corruption, it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility that someone in SE is leaking info to said organisations prior to the public announcement so all these characters can prepare for the 6.1 patch ahead of time.

There was no leak from some insider needed. The only information needed to prepare was publicly released in the November Live Letter.

Every FC I have ever been in so far never let me do anything, no decorating, no gardening, no subs.. NOTHING.

Which is why many of us keep pointing out that being part of a FC that owns a house does not guarantee access to housing. The FC Master (and any officers who can adjust ranks and privileges) controls access and that access is usually reserved for officers only. Such restriction isn't without reason (trolling and theft are common when the officers don't use caution in assigning access) but it doesn't help the individual player who would like to engage with housing features.

[Themarvin]

some of these FCs is just 2-3 people as a couple of friends playing..

[KikiTia]

After lookign through the data at https://www.xivhousing.com/ (which has greatly improved since the last time I saw this), and using https://www.xivhousing.com/2021-cens...enters-regions to slice the data, of the roughly 120k FC houses worldwide, roughly 23k of those are shell FC houses. Shell FCs being FCs that have 1-3 members usually created for the sole purpose of getting a house, while a legitimate FC is 4+ members (which is the total number of signatures needed to create an FC btw).

That's roughly 20% of all FC houses worldwide are shell FC houses.

Like I have been saying for a long time, the shell FCs need to be dealt with because they are exacerbating the housing problem. Of all the servers, Chocobo is the poster child for this problem with 891 of the 2613 FC houses belonging to a shell FC.

While we definitely need more wards, the shell FC issue CANNOT continued to be ignored because all it's doing is making this entire housing thing harder than it really needs to be.

It's been said a million times but I'll say it again, they wouldn't even have to worry about this if we had instanced housing and there were enough houses for everyone to have their own.

[Heh]

It's been said a million times but I'll say it again, they wouldn't even have to worry about this if we had instanced housing and there were enough houses for everyone to have their own.

Nope, They just need to make the wards grows as the server population needs. It's 2022, there is no way their servers unable to handle more than 24.

[SanadaX]

How are they so prepared to have all those FC made, with a member with more than 30 days, 4 member, all ready for the 6.1 patch release.

I know of one such organization that does this, Each FC is capable of making 400k a day through Submarine and Airships, with 1 FC per world with the new patch limitations, on top of the FCs they've already acquired before the patch being grandfathered over. With all the account they pay sub for, it make sense that they're doing this for IRL gain, they can wholesale the gil they gain through these FCs making a profit whilst maintaining their Subs on all these accounts.

My speculation is that where there is an IRL gain, there is corruption, it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility that someone in SE is leaking info to said organisations prior to the public announcement so all these characters can prepare for the 6.1 patch ahead of time.

"There must be a reason why people can't get homes, It is the shadow realtors!!! I knew it!!" Goof ball.

[Valfreyja]

If you want to stop Shell FCs from being a thing, go to the root of the problem. Don't punish FCs that are only three friends enjoying the game together.

Workshop access should be available to ALL. Not just FCs.
Everyone should be allowed to access airships and submarines.
Everyone should be allowed to access projects.
Everyone should be allowed to have a communal chest for extra storage.
Everyone should be allowed to access gardening, with indoor growing plots for apartments.

Most people don't care about housing. They care about the Workshop/Airships/Submarines being gated by housing.

Don't blame the players for fixing the system where SE denies us stuff.
And before you say "join an FC", that is meaningless. Every FC I have ever seen gates their members so that only the officers and leader get to access Voyages and Projects. Not the general membership. So that isn't a solution either.

[Valfreyja]

It's also been said that instanced housing is impossible without reconfiguring the entire game.

The Instance servers cover every dungeon, trial, raid, and other bit of instanced content.

You want to strain those servers even further by adding tens of thousands of instanced housing on top of all that?

It's not feasible.