Shell FCs are a bigger problem than we think...

[Almagnus1]

After lookign through the data at https://www.xivhousing.com/ (which has greatly improved since the last time I saw this), and using https://www.xivhousing.com/2021-cens...enters-regions to slice the data, of the roughly 120k FC houses worldwide, roughly 23k of those are shell FC houses. Shell FCs being FCs that have 1-3 members usually created for the sole purpose of getting a house, while a legitimate FC is 4+ members (which is the total number of signatures needed to create an FC btw).

That's roughly 20% of all FC houses worldwide are shell FC houses.

Like I have been saying for a long time, the shell FCs need to be dealt with because they are exacerbating the housing problem. Of all the servers, Chocobo is the poster child for this problem with 891 of the 2613 FC houses belonging to a shell FC.

While we definitely need more wards, the shell FC issue CANNOT continued to be ignored because all it's doing is making this entire housing thing harder than it really needs to be.

[ItMe]

After lookign through the data at [...] of the roughly 120k FC houses worldwide, roughly 23k of those are shell FC houses. Shell FCs being FCs that have 1-3 members usually created for the sole purpose of getting a house,

I don't follow.
How can you tell with this data that these FCs are shell FCs and not just, ya know, small?

[Almagnus1]

I don't follow.
How can you tell with this data that these FCs are shell FCs and not just, ya know, small?

Goto https://www.xivhousing.com/2021-cens...enters-regions , click the max number for members, set to 3, drill up to the region level, pull data.

Better question: Why is it considered acceptable that an FC with less people than is needed to create it can hold land given the extreme land shortages that FFXIV has been experiencing?

[Big_Bap]

Look at you, failing to use data properly. I will point out that you are, yet again, blowing things out of proportion.

You might want to take a look at the amount of FCs of various sizes... with or without a house. You will quickly realize that Japanese players are not very interested in anything but small FCs.

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*Gasp*

Could it be that because they have a lot more servers for their amount of players... being part of small FCs is just... normal... damn...


Additionally, regardless of what you call a shell FC, the amount of players that benefit from FC housing is higher than what personal housing could ever achieve.

So yeah, you are barking at the wrong tree.

Better question: Why is it considered acceptable that an FC with less people than is needed to create it can hold land given the extreme land shortages that FFXIV has been experiencing?

Why don't you go and ask the JP players why they are playing the way they are? It's really funny how you are projecting your own definition of acceptability on a group of players you don't even interact with.

[Sotaris]

Umm no it isn't?

[Almagnus1]

Look at you, failing to use data properly. I will point out that you are, yet again, blowing things out of proportion.

Your data shows that NA has 38,772 FC houses, 6053 of which have less than 4 members to them (which is 15.61%), while EU has 18,342 FC houses and roughly 3,519 have less than 4 members, which is 19.19%. So the 20% worldwide is actually higher because the problem is worse in JP than it is in the other regions.

You might want to take a look at the amount of FCs of various sizes... with or without a house. You will quickly realize that Japanese players are not very interested in anything but small FCs.

So you're saying that of the 62,681 FC houses in Japan, 48,527 of them which are for FCs that are 4+ members (which is what I consider to be a legitimate FC in the scope of this post) don't care about small FCs?

I'm not talking about them, only the 14,154 FC houses for FCs that have 1-3 members, which comprise 22.58% of the FC houses in JP.

Additionally, regardless of what you call a shell FC, the amount of players that benefit from FC housing is higher than what personal housing could ever achieve.

So then why does the data at https://www.xivhousing.com/ show that there's a worldwide total of 266,703 personal houses (and/or vacant - your data lumps these two together for whatever reason) and only 124,977 FC houses? (For that matter, there is no datacenter that has more FC houses than personal houses).

If what you are saying is true, shouldn't that ratio be reversed?

Why don't you go and ask the JP players why they are playing the way they are? It's really funny how you are projecting your own definition of acceptability on a group of players you don't even interact with.

Because this isn't a JP only thing.

[ItMe]

Goto https://www.xivhousing.com/2021-cens...enters-regions , click the max number for members, set to 3, drill up to the region level, pull data.

That gives me data about FCs with 3 or less people.
How can we tell from this data which are shell FCs and which are simply small FCs?
That is the part I can't follow.

[Almagnus1]

That gives me data about FCs with 3 or less people.
How can we tell from this data which are shell FCs and which are simply small FCs?
That is the part I can't follow.

Why should a failed FC with less members than what was needed to create it be able to hold land?

All FCs with less than 3 members should lose their houses BECAUSE of the shell FC problem. That frees up roughly 10% of the houses worldwide to either become personal houses (which there is a strong demand for) or gets them to FCs that don't have a house and have at least 4 members (which about half of the FCs that are 4+ members don't have an FC house IIRC).

Edit:
10% is a guesstimate, too lazy to actually math this out >.>

[Canadane]

Why should a failed FC with less members than what was needed to create it be able to hold land?

All FCs with less than 3 members should lose their houses BECAUSE of the shell FC problem. That frees up roughly 10% of the houses worldwide to either become personal houses (which there is a strong demand for) or gets them to FCs that don't have a house and have at least 4 members (which about half of the FCs that are 4+ members don't have an FC house IIRC).

All that would happen is the FCs throw on a couple extra alts to that shell FC.
An automated system will simply be bypassed one way or another.
We need GM crackdowns, but, like it or not they're playing by the games rules. So this will likely never happen.

There's a lovely large house unused by a shell FC that I've kept my eye on but it's never gone up for sale. It would be nice upgrade to have I'm pretty restricted in my current house lol.
While I can't tell by looking at a random FC if it's a shell or not this particular one doesn't really try to hide it, knowing the 'real' FC behind it.

[MilkieTea]

Um… why is an FC with 3 members considered failed? At this point I’m 80% convinced you’re trolling - the language you use is way too absolute to be otherwise. If you’re not, then I’m sorry but you’re REALLY offbase.