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    Quote Originally Posted by HollowedDoll View Post
    Did you just say minimal work when the hair situation is as it is with viera and hrotghar?
    Different level of work. They obviously have a different problem with fitting hair to those races versus standard races.

    But for genders? If they've sized it to male X then it should be ready to go on female X in most cases, including Viera if the style is available to them. It's already been modified for whatever weird ears or head shape the race has, and can presumably be shifted over quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Different level of work. They obviously have a different problem with fitting hair to those races versus standard races.

    But for genders? If they've sized it to male X then it should be ready to go on female X in most cases, including Viera if the style is available to them. It's already been modified for whatever weird ears or head shape the race has, and can presumably be shifted over quickly.
    Your argument ends with maybe hrothgar, the effort needed to make hair for viera ( whose head shape is pretty much in line with miqote ) regardless of gender is about the same as chucking male hair on female or vice versa, and no the ears aren't really a factor in this at all, the hair just needs to go high enough so there is no gap, but the viera ears go lower than the actual top of the hair anyway, and yeah modders have done various hairs from one race to another so it can be done relatively quickly but you see the way Square Enix does things is hardly quick. It's pretty much the exact same situation: extra work, nothing easier about it.

    I would like to add that even among the female races there's varying head shapes, so going between genders increases that.
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    Last edited by HollowedDoll; 04-18-2022 at 03:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollowedDoll View Post
    Your argument ends with maybe hrothgar, the effort needed to make hair for viera ( whose head shape is pretty much in line with miqote ) regardless of gender is about the same as chucking male hair on female or vice versa, and no the ears aren't really a factor in this at all, the hair just needs to go high enough so there is no gap, but the viera ears go lower than the actual top of the hair anyway, and yeah modders have done various hairs from one race to another so it can be done relatively quickly but you see the way Square Enix does things is hardly quick. It's pretty much the exact same situation: extra work, nothing easier about it.
    we all know if SE just hiredsome of these modders that stuff would get fixed really quick but SE would never pay more hands to work on ffxiv then needed.
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    Last edited by AmpelioB; 04-18-2022 at 03:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmpelioB View Post
    we all know if SE just hiredsome of the modders these stuff would get fixed really quick but SE would never pay more hands to work on ffxiv then needed.
    That's not even my main point, we've seen how things are treated for an actual race in need of cosmetics, the workload for one of these is arguably pretty much the same, while for the other if we go by the current "quality" standards isn't much more than that either. So I don't understand why some people think that slapping SEVERAL male or female haircuts on the opposite gender races who are also more numerous is an easier task as opposed to doing hairs for only 3+1 races. Not to mention it is less important, because let's be real 90% of the unisex haircuts are feminine already and tons of male players are already disappointed in the lack of masculine styles, while Hrothgar are stuck looking like karens, and viera have like 20 hair tops.

    Example: Gyr Abania on the aformentioned races

    2 models, 3 if you want a weird cat with no ears.

    Y'stolha hair on males?
    Midlander, Highlander, Miqote, Elezen, Roe, Aura, Lalafell

    that's 6-1 for being generous with lalafell.
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    Last edited by HollowedDoll; 04-18-2022 at 04:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollowedDoll View Post
    That's not even my main point, we've seen how things are treated for an actual race in need of cosmetics, the workload for one of these is arguably pretty much the same, while for the other if we go by the current "quality" standards isn't much more than that either. So I don't understand why some people think that slapping SEVERAL male or female haircuts on the opposite gender races who are also more numerous is an easier task as opposed to doing hairs for only 3+1 races. Not to mention it is less important, because let's be real 90% of the unisex haircuts are feminine already and tons of male players are already disappointed in the lack of masculine styles, while Hrothgar are stuck looking like karens, and viera have like 20 hair tops.
    honestly I'm more disappointed to not have good long hair options for male, well, aside for zenos but I don't want to look like zenos
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmpelioB View Post
    we all know if SE just hiredsome of the modders these stuff
    wait what?
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