Let's Talk About SAMURAI

[KouYanagi]

I'm generally not one to jump on the whole "this is busted/broken/nerf" train, but after doing a LOT of pvp in both FL and CC over the past few days with several different jobs, SAM is BY FAR the most ridiculously overpowered pvp job in the game. High damage, high crowd control, high mitigation. There's no weakness. No downside. PVP as a whole has been pretty jacked since the update, but this is ridiculous. Did they playtest this crap at all?

I agree. I main SAM for a reason and they really have too much going for their kit that its ridiculous.

Though their weakness is as follows, take advantage of it if you can.

- Chiten is a 30 sec cooldown and its only up for 5 seconds. Kuzuki lasts 3 sec, so just stun/silence and run.
- Zantetsuken like many Melee LBs are a movement ability, a bind will shut their ult down
- Useless once Midare and Ogi is down so if they are out of these two, feel free to press the attack. Both are 20 sec CD
- Try your best to be healthy (duh) but you would not believe how many people are complacent with their health. Their finish combo usually involves a stun when the enemy is low then channeling Ogi (usually 24k if teammates not around) or Midare (usually 16k)

[Moonlite]

Sam yesterday killed all 5 of us instantly we had left him last to kill and boom we were all dead.

[Conroy]

I wanna see Yoshida PVP and get 1 shot by a samurai so badly.
His reaction would be priceless to me.
Please Nerf SE.

[KouYanagi]

Sam yesterday killed all 5 of us instantly we had left him last to kill and boom we were all dead.

Leaving a SAM alive, not CCing them, sticking together are such mistakes

[NamazuFanatic]

The limit break is too strong, but their actual kit is too weak. If they nerf the LB, they have to buff the kit.

[Bureda]

The limit break is too strong, but their actual kit is too weak. If they nerf the LB, they have to buff the kit.

Samurai has a weak kit? What world are you living in.

[silentwindfr]

Samurai has a weak kit? What world are you living in.

weak as each skill have long cooldown... plus midare and ogi come with huge trouble.
midare force you to use your purify skill and ogi have a casting time.... if you move behind the sam get a free pass out of ogi.

and honestly other jobs have stronger kit out... then.

[NotReallyMistral]

weak as each skill have long cooldown... plus midare and ogi come with huge trouble.
midare force you to use your purify skill and ogi have a casting time.... if you move behind the sam get a free pass out of ogi.

and honestly other jobs have stronger kit out... then.

The number of people that stays within ogi's range is astounding. The sound cue for it is very distinct and it takes about 2s to cast and they can't move during that. Meanwhile, i've seen people just facetank it because they have no idea what the sam is doing and just see red when attacking until it's too late... Hey, it's just like their LB!

[silentwindfr]

The number of people that stays within ogi's range is astounding. The sound cue for it is very distinct and it takes about 2s to cast and they can't move during that. Meanwhile, i've seen people just facetank it because they have no idea what the sam is doing and just see red when attacking until it's too late... Hey, it's just like their LB!

i feel a looot of people complain about the sam because they don't try to adapt for face the sam and get punished because of this. while some other job are godlike... like warrior. some other dps have better survivability that the sam, the simple fact that we need to use mekyo for get midare while this one serve as purify skill is stupid...
sam have long cooldown, the slowest charging lb and they complain that it have some stuff for him...

chiten have 30 sec cd for 5 sec duration... honestly in a match that can go for 1-4 minutes you don't have it often same for the lb... in a match of 4 minutes if i have the lb two time i'm lucky. plus i feel some other lb have more damage potential and can be game changer far more than zantetsuten.

[aeoncs]

weak as each skill have long cooldown... plus midare and ogi come with huge trouble.
midare force you to use your purify skill and ogi have a casting time.... if you move behind the sam get a free pass out of ogi.

and honestly other jobs have stronger kit out... then.

They have a oneshot burst combo and the strongest single target stun in the game available every 20 seconds. In what world is that a long cooldown?

Soten -> Hyosetsu -> Meikyo -> Ogi -> Soten -> Kaeshi -> Mineuchi -> Midare -> Soten -> 56-61k damage (full single-target) with a 4 GCD burst combo

The only counterplay to that combo is Purify and/or Guard, which can counter pretty much any non-LB combo in the game, or wasting a silence, certain LBs or the WHM poly just to stop the SAM from doing a combo that they can just repeat 20 seconds later. There's also numerous ways to change the above combo for quicker burst if you just need to assist in a kill, which obviously happens more frequently.

A SAM literally has a 2 second AoE bind, a 3 second stun and 3 seconds of almost complete cc-immunity and people talk about how hard it is to get 1.3 second casts off lol. Wild.