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    Quote Originally Posted by Bureda View Post
    SAM is also the poster child for this game, it's always top tier in ALL content, since its a very console friendly AFK job with lots of big numbers. Don't expect that to die down any time soon.
    Wtf are you talking about? SAM is literally the second worst melee in endgame pve content in total damage output contribution, and doesn't even offer utility to compensate like SMN does.
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    Sidamel Wyndfyre
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    Some are just mad about the one-shot ability. That's all. Else the class isn't "that" strong.
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  3. 04-15-2022 01:52 PM
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  4. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidamel View Post
    Some are just mad about the one-shot ability. That's all. Else the class isn't "that" strong.
    It's fairly commonly agreed that NIN and SAM are two of the most effective jobs overall due to the insane amount of burst they can output in a few GCDs with minimal setup involved.

    Their LBs are honestly just icing on the cake.
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    I should add that I'm frontliner and I only see it from that point of view.
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    Bureda Ghodhand
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espri View Post
    Wtf are you talking about? SAM is literally the second worst melee in endgame pve content in total damage output contribution, and doesn't even offer utility to compensate like SMN does.
    :clown emoji: here's some attention for your statement. Go google some performances.
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    Anhra Nefaris
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    As a Healer, i think the best way to deal with SAM and friends, is to not deal with them at all. I always focus target the worst one and make sure he cant draw LoS to me OR is out of range (unless hes not paying me any attention).

    Worked quite well so far for me.
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  8. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    It's fairly commonly agreed that NIN and SAM are two of the most effective jobs overall due to the insane amount of burst they can output in a few GCDs with minimal setup involved.

    Their LBs are honestly just icing on the cake.
    NIN needs more burst. After Silver you won't be able to harass anyone with an opener. Also, that burst has a 30 second cooldown which is years in PVP. However you do need to stop a ninja from chain executing when they ult with cc. That is situational, however SAM has the highest burst in the game whilst getting defensive stats. NIN and RDM you have to select consciously between going defensive or offensive. However, as it stands now. SAM has insane damage and very short cooldowns and is FACTUALLY tankier than the tanks. I can burst a warrior, a paladin and a drk but it's a challenge to burst an active Samurai, they end up mitigating a lot because they get rewarded for offensive actions and make no discerning decisions.
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  9. #48
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    Espri Leuan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bureda View Post
    :clown emoji: here's some attention for your statement. Go google some performances.


    ... you mean the objective numbers proving me right? If you're saying to google some performances you know where to check for aggregate data on savage performance. The numbers don't lie. That's even with the buffs - sort by 1 day old, you're still wrong.

    If you want more proof, check how many of the top 10 speed kills for P4S have SAM. The answer is zero.
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    Last edited by Espri; 04-15-2022 at 11:40 PM.

  10. #49
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    I mean, there is a reason literally every match has 2 Sams. But its already to late. They all in Crystal now.
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    The one shot ability is okay if the team wouldnt constanly ignore it.
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