Yoshi-P is just Ion Hazzikostas with a good attendance card

[Ath192]

Hey this thread is disgusting. The criticisms about the technical issues are valid but how it was done, and personal attacks, and comparisons to other people who have committed despicable acts to their workplace makes whoever piles on with this sort of mentality the most disgusting of all. I'll take my broken housing system and play a bald Hrothgar if I have to, or I'll respectfully leave feedback and unsubscribe.

The only people deserving of hate are the disrespectful turds saying disgusting things because they think being displeased with a feature entitles them to destroy the emotions, self-image and reputation of other people who are just doing their jobs.

[Kolsykol]

Hey this thread is disgusting. The criticisms about the technical issues are valid but how it was done, and personal attacks, and comparisons to other people who have committed despicable acts to their workplace makes whoever piles on with this sort of mentality the most disgusting of all. I'll take my broken housing system and play a bald Hrothgar if I have to, or I'll respectfully leave feedback and unsubscribe.

The only people deserving of hate are the disrespectful turds saying disgusting things because they think being displeased with a feature entitles them to destroy the emotions, self-image and reputation of other people who are just doing their jobs.

This patch has been one of the best patches we've ever had too lol.
I get that there are problems but people are going insane about it and are taking it too far.

No advertisement for the shop indeed since the shop is integrated in the game your argument is disingenuous at best.

And compairing the plague that is the wow token to a message that pop up in your room (which i never use thanks to Great company commanding room) is absurd.

The cash shop isn't even the devs fault, I am pretty sure that's SE's doing.
If anything it's Yoshi who has managed to make it have as little of a presence as possible, if SE got their way it'd be more like a Korean MMO and I am fairly sure it'd have P2W elements like in WoW.
So it just becomes stupid to blame the devs for it.

Edit: I'd say the same to some extent about WoW, it's not entirely the devs fault but I will blame the devs for how they implemented it because that's ultimately on their end.

[Ryaz]

Hey this thread is disgusting. The criticisms about the technical issues are valid but how it was done, and personal attacks, and comparisons to other people who have committed despicable acts to their workplace makes whoever piles on with this sort of mentality the most disgusting of all. I'll take my broken housing system and play a bald Hrothgar if I have to, or I'll respectfully leave feedback and unsubscribe.

The only people deserving of hate are the disrespectful turds saying disgusting things because they think being displeased with a feature entitles them to destroy the emotions, self-image and reputation of other people who are just doing their jobs.

Welcome to the official forums. It's not just this one. Pretty much every official forum for every game is filled with the most overly cynical, entitled people who will never be happy. It's why I rarely visit these days.

[Darksummoner]

Welcome to the official forums. It's not just this one. Pretty much every official forum for every game is filled with the most overly cynical, entitled people who will never be happy. It's why I rarely visit these days.

Same. These forums, like every other game forums, can be ridiculously toxic. These forums are filled with narcissist people who think that because they are unhappy then all other gamers should be unhappy, and with a lot of people who are also pissed at every single thing in the game. Limit your access to these forums, in my opinion, to once or twice a week.

[Folsom]

Same. These forums, like every other game forums, can be ridiculously toxic. These forums are filled with narcissist people who think that because they are unhappy then all other gamers should be unhappy, and with a lot of people who are also pissed at every single thing in the game. Limit your access to these forums, in my opinion, to once or twice a week.

Also same. Even Reddit and Twitter tend to be less toxic than the official FFXIV forums, and that's saying something since they can both be... well, pretty darn toxic. I tend to stay away from these forums for that reason and have only been buzzing around here the last few days to scrape up information about housing and a potential resolution. And, of course, I come here and immediately see "The devs are the same as the WORST outside developer I can THINK OF." Then there's the "the devs are not your friends!" thread where, I don't know, people think being casually rude and crappy to the devs is better than being casually friendly and familial with them. And, of course, the ever present, "whatever tone I take is deserved!" and "I'm actually being nice even though I'd probably get punched if I said that in person" etc.

It's all very exhausting and sort of justifies the opinions a lot of people outside of the gaming world have of gamers.

[Kolsykol]

Also same. Even Reddit and Twitter tend to be less toxic than the official FFXIV forums, and that's saying something since they can both be... well, pretty darn toxic. I tend to stay away from these forums for that reason and have only been buzzing around here the last few days to scrape up information about housing and a potential resolution. And, of course, I come here and immediately see "The devs are the same as the WORST outside developer I can THINK OF." Then there's the "the devs are not your friends!" thread where, I don't know, people think being casually rude and crappy to the devs is better than being casually friendly and familial with them. And, of course, the ever present, "whatever tone I take is deserved!" and "I'm actually being nice even though I'd probably get punched if I said that in person" etc.

It's all very exhausting and sort of justifies the opinions a lot of people outside of the gaming world have of gamers.

This is actually true rofl.
It kinda feels at times like people on the forum are obsessed with convincing others about how bad the game supposedly is.
It's the same with the '' toxic positivity '' thing, and then you find out that the reason why people had an issue with the '' criticism '' or negative opinions the OP had was because the OP was being a jerk.

I don't think that this is true, but at times it almost feels like it's infested with salty WoW players.
The forums just comes across like Twitch chat for a WoW Streamer or something being all like '' NUH-UH WEEB LOSER GAME BAD TOXIC POSITIVITY I CAN'T CRITICIZE !?! !? ''.
It's just so fundamentally different than what I see ingame and else where.

Like I understand that there are problems... I've been very frustrated with Job changes too...
But holy hell people act like the devs are intentionally trying to upset people and like it's the worst thing that has ever happened to them.
I get getting upset about stuff, but people gotta have some understanding and self-awareness about how they give criticism to the devs.
If you were at a restaurant and wanted to give negative feedback you wouldn't be taken seriously if you called the chef '' an idiot who can't cook, how could he forget the salt??? ''.
And much the same a CM who collects feedback isn't going to collect feedback that is written in an extremely aggressive manner they're going to ignore it.

Even if I agree with most of the current criticism I see, it's still delivered in an extremely shitty way and then people wonder why they're not being listened to.

[AziraSyuren]

Even if I agree with most of the current criticism I see, it's still delivered in an extremely shitty way and then people wonder why they're not being listened to.

While I also agree with a lot of the criticisms, it's definitely getting a bit tiring to watch people shit up almost every thread with wild conspiracy theories. It's particularly bad in threads about job design (or threads that devolve into threads about job design). The devs say that they want to make some jobs easier a few times and suddenly every single change is in service of that.

My brother in Christ, sometimes they're just making jobs worse because they're out of touch with the needs of the players. It's not always some Grand Master Plan to make jobs easier and appeal to the lowest common denominator.