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    S0lara's Avatar
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    The RNG code was created by a person, and they inputted 0 as one of the possible choices for output. I have coded in Python and Mathematica before, and if you import random, and then you list the parameters, e.g. list=1,2,3,4,5... It is pretty easy to see, that when they listed their parameters for the housing lottery system, they included 0 (zero) in the list of possible choices that could be rolled. If they did in fact did put zero into their list, as in: listhousing or list1 (whatever you want to call it) = 0,1,2,3,4,5..., when as stated earlier, it should have been list1=1,2,3,4,5...

    If what I stated is correct, then in all fairness, they should roll back EVERYONE's bids, because if 0 (zero) was counted as a possible RNG choice, then EVERY roll is invalidated and needs to be done again. I know it sucks for some people, but in all fairness, if zero (0) was included, then redoing it is the most fair solution.
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    Aergrael Iyrnrael
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    Quote Originally Posted by S0lara View Post
    If what I stated is correct, then in all fairness, they should roll back EVERYONE's bids, because if 0 (zero) was counted as a possible RNG choice, then EVERY roll is invalidated and needs to be done again. I know it sucks for some people, but in all fairness, if zero (0) was included, then redoing it is the most fair solution.
    It could also be a "round(rand(0,numplayers))" in the code. In which case the last player only gets a 50% chance of winning, and the other half of his getting the 0 as result.

    Without knowing the code, you cant tell anything. Its very likely something subtle being overlooked, that in tests did show it worked
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    Tyran Graves
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    Behemoth
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    Samurai Lv 54
    Quote Originally Posted by S0lara View Post
    The RNG code was created by a person, and they inputted 0 as one of the possible choices for output. I have coded in Python and Mathematica before, and if you import random, and then you list the parameters, e.g. list=1,2,3,4,5... It is pretty easy to see, that when they listed their parameters for the housing lottery system, they included 0 (zero) in the list of possible choices that could be rolled. If they did in fact did put zero into their list, as in: listhousing or list1 (whatever you want to call it) = 0,1,2,3,4,5..., when as stated earlier, it should have been list1=1,2,3,4,5...

    If what I stated is correct, then in all fairness, they should roll back EVERYONE's bids, because if 0 (zero) was counted as a possible RNG choice, then EVERY roll is invalidated and needs to be done again. I know it sucks for some people, but in all fairness, if zero (0) was included, then redoing it is the most fair solution.
    Again, No. Making everyone, even those not affected with a 0 Winner should not be subject to a roll back. You have to also consider the impact THAT would have on players/free companies that actually won and already invested time and gil into their new plot. AGAIN, it is unfortunate this happened, but not everyone should be punished because of it.
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    King Vaughn
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    Sargatanas
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Valodion View Post
    Again, No. Making everyone, even those not affected with a 0 Winner should not be subject to a roll back. You have to also consider the impact THAT would have on players/free companies that actually won and already invested time and gil into their new plot. AGAIN, it is unfortunate this happened, but not everyone should be punished because of it.
    "If I can't win neither can you"
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    Evon Merrowgry
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Valodion View Post
    Again, No. Making everyone, even those not affected with a 0 Winner should not be subject to a roll back. You have to also consider the impact THAT would have on players/free companies that actually won and already invested time and gil into their new plot. AGAIN, it is unfortunate this happened, but not everyone should be punished because of it.
    Not only that end of the new house owners. See the money they spent tranferred, used for other stuff already. It's such a complex network, that not only the housing servers need to be restarted.

    Everything has to be reset to the last backup before the roll was finished. All progress lost without exception, as nothing happened.
    Now that outburst of rage is something I really don't want to see...

    The best they could do, is deep check their logs, give the solo-participants their plots, and for the others with mutliple entries, just reroll with the original inserts automatically - instantly, or with next cycle.
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    Arctura Fengari
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathmir View Post
    Not only that end of the new house owners. See the money they spent tranferred, used for other stuff already. It's such a complex network, that not only the housing servers need to be restarted.

    Everything has to be reset to the last backup before the roll was finished. All progress lost without exception, as nothing happened.
    Now that outburst of rage is something I really don't want to see...

    The best they could do, is deep check their logs, give the solo-participants their plots, and for the others with mutliple entries, just reroll with the original inserts automatically - instantly, or with next cycle.
    I am tired of seeing this a complete roleback of the Firnament as an option. This is such a bad idea. If you think the salt is bad now, then wait until then. Kicking people in the teeth because they got a house, just to give it to someone else would be tacky.
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    Keridwyn Maeve
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by S0lara View Post
    If what I stated is correct, then in all fairness, they should roll back EVERYONE's bids, because if 0 (zero) was counted as a possible RNG choice, then EVERY roll is invalidated and needs to be done again. I know it sucks for some people, but in all fairness, if zero (0) was included, then redoing it is the most fair solution.
    What you're asking for is a total server rollback. They can't just roll back the lotto because people have already moved in and started building/decorating. Which means some have likely bought furnishings from vendors and the MB. Which means refunding that gil. Which means reversing those transactions. The only way to accomplish that is to roll back the servers to prior to the lotto happening.

    You're asking for people who didn't participate in or care about housing to lose days of progress. Either that or you're asking for the people who won and started the process of enjoying their plots to lose out on millions of gil when they didn't do anything wrong either.

    In short, a total rollback is the least fair solution.
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    King Vaughn
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    Sargatanas
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Keridwyn View Post
    What you're asking for is a total server rollback. They can't just roll back the lotto because people have already moved in and started building/decorating. Which means some have likely bought furnishings from vendors and the MB. Which means refunding that gil. Which means reversing those transactions. The only way to accomplish that is to roll back the servers to prior to the lotto happening.

    You're asking for people who didn't participate in or care about housing to lose days of progress. Either that or you're asking for the people who won and started the process of enjoying their plots to lose out on millions of gil when they didn't do anything wrong either.

    In short, a total rollback is the least fair solution.
    Only thing I can see working is increase the total amount of wards to 30. 50/50 split down the middle for FC and personal. SE gets what they want and we.... well maybe the odds be in everyone's favor.
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