Broken Lottery, Please Rollback

[Lothric]

Not only that, but every single person who didn't enter would lose all their progress they did either today, or to whatever point they originally chose. So tomes, items, gil, sales, everything. That'd be a statistical nightmare

It's very possible for them to roll back instanced areas alone and has been done before.

[HyoMinPark]

It's very possible for them to roll back instanced areas alone and has been done before.

You’re missing the point in what they’re saying: the people who won a house, and successfully built or relocated on their new plot, would lose any progress they made on their new home in terms of furnishing. And then it calls into question: what of the plots that were given up for relocation? How would those be handled?

It’s better to do re-rolls on the “0 is the winner!” or “There were no participants” plots versus all of them. It will cut down on the rage.

[Tamlen]

You’re missing the point in what they’re saying: the people who won a house, and successfully built or relocated on their new plot, would lose any progress they made on their new home in terms of furnishing. And then it calls into question: what of the plots that were given up for relocation? How would those be handled?

It’s better to do re-rolls on the “0 is the winner!” or “There were no participants” plots versus all of them. It will cut down on the rage.

And *you're* missing the point where the entire system was unfair and there were tons more people who lost, that now have to question the validity of their draw. We get that you won, but it's an MMO not a singleplayer game- the other people matter, too.

[ForteNightshade]

And *you're* missing the point where the entire system was unfair and there were tons more people who lost, that now have to question the validity of their draw. We get that you won, but it's an MMO not a singleplayer game- the other people matter, too.

No, she isn't. she, along with myself and others, are simply pointing out that a full scale rollback isn't likely to happen because the backlash will be even worse. Not to mention, HyoMin brings up an excellent point. For those who relocated, how do they reclaim their house? That would require the entire game being shut down to roll back everything since now you're talking about multiple wards on multiple characters spanning over 24 servers on just NA alone. Imagine if they simply... refunded you the equivalent of your original plot. It just isn't feasible.

I don't disagree with the questionable integrity but there is absolutely zero chance they even consider a complete rollback.

[HyoMinPark]

And *you're* missing the point where the entire system was unfair and there were tons more people who lost, that now have to question the validity of their draw. We get that you won, but it's an MMO not a singleplayer game- the other people matter, too.

Pointing the finger and blaming those who weren’t unlucky is poor behavior, and it does nothing to actively rectify the situation. The players that won plots—either new or relocated—are not the ones at fault here. Blaming them and punishing them is not the way to go, where as re-rolling the plots that very clearly experienced the no-winners error is a much better situation. Even if I had an unsuccessful relocation, I would stand behind only re-rolling the plots with no winners. Not the entire housing ward because that will just cause even more anger.

If we want to assume, people could just point the finger at those who lost are just being salty they lost. But that won’t solve the problem, nor is it a mature response. Please pick a better response and leave ad hominem out of it.

That isn't a point at all. I am one of those winners; and like many other people have told you EVERY lottery so far was unfair. Some plots just happened to land on the zeroes that shouldn't have been included.
If you pick and choose then you're bittering more people than you're pleasing.

And if you rollback for everyone, you’re bittering everyone. Especially if they lose their original plot they relocated from (because how are the developers going to handle that), and/or lost in the second round after winning the first one.

There is no 100% fair solution here. So the developers need to decide which solution will hurt the least.

[Cortawraith]

And *you're* missing the point where the entire system was unfair and there were tons more people who lost, that now have to question the validity of their draw. We get that you won, but it's an MMO not a singleplayer game- the other people matter, too.

The last part of your post also is the reason why not everbody should be punished if they were lucky enough to win against the server.
Unless there's no confirmation that relocations would be rolled-back to their original place, too there simply cannot be a rollback at all.
On the other hand there's reason to question how many of those rollback-supporters would change their tune if the shoe was on the other foot and they won ^^

Anyhow,
I simply don't think rollbacks will happen.
The one thing that would cause the least backlash would be recompensation in like playtime or some other stuff. Everything else is bound to cause more frustration and anger than we already have.

[Tamlen]

The last part of your post also is the reason why not everbody should be punished if they were lucky enough to win against the server.
Unless there's no confirmation that relocations would be rolled-back to their original place, too there simply cannot be a rollback at all.
On the other hand there's reason to question how many of those rollback-supporters would change their tune if the shoe was on the other foot and they won ^^

Anyhow,
I simply don't think rollbacks will happen.
The one thing that would cause the least backlash would be recompensation in like playtime or some other stuff. Everything else is bound to cause more frustration and anger than we already have.

My FC won our draw, all I see is extreme selfishness from others who think they're more entitled to 'win' on an erroneous lottery. Don't kid yourself, nobody going for a house for the last 3 years would be happy with playtime compensation.

[Grinnaux]

My FC won our draw, all I see is extreme selfishness from others who think they're more entitled to 'win' on an erroneous lottery. Don't kid yourself, nobody going for a house for the last 3 years would be happy with playtime compensation.

You're fighting a losing battle. Most of the playerbase is very entitled.

[HyoMinPark]

My FC won our draw, all I see is extreme selfishness from others who think they're more entitled to 'win' on an erroneous lottery. Don't kid yourself, nobody going for a house for the last 3 years would be happy with playtime compensation.

I would hardly call it selfish when people are trying to make suggestions that decrease the amount of rage that is going to occur, and aren’t for just punishing others out of perceived spite. Some of the responses I’ve seen from those who were unfortunate are extremely hateful and spiteful towards those who managed to not get screwed over simply because they weren’t unlucky.

As you said, this is an MMO, not a single-player game. Others matter, too, and the solution picked needs to be one that will not enrage more people. There isn’t a fair solution regardless of how you look at it. I’m well aware of that. So the best that can be asked for is another “bandaid” to fix a housing system that is already a dumpster fire.

[ForteNightshade]

My FC won our draw, all I see is extreme selfishness from others who think they're more entitled to 'win' on an erroneous lottery. Don't kid yourself, nobody going for a house for the last 3 years would be happy with playtime compensation.

Since you're so quick to throw around pejoratives, let's go through a little exercise. Say they can force the relinquishment of all Ishgard plots and refund every single participate, essentially starting over. However, they cannot rollback previously owned houses. In other words, if you relocated a large from Lavender Beds to Empyreum, you'll have 50M gil, no house and now only a chance at returning to your status quo.

Would such an outcome be fair? Or is that too entitled as well?

And before anyone says they could rollback everyone to their previous state. We don't actually know the limitations here. A rollback of that significance isn't simply you can just... do. If they could Thanos snap Saturday morning and return everything back to exactly how it was prior, we could entertain a rollback. Unfortunately, we have no idea if that's possible. Considering how egregious this mistake is, it's hardly unwarranted to assume they didn't prepare a backup in case something went wrong.