What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Rulakir]

Well, my current thought process is this: The 13th is essentially the result of a Flood of Darkness, right? So, shouldn't that mean the whole star is a dark version of The Empty on the First? Even if we do manage to restore the 13th, what purpose would that serve (and what would that mean for the RPR job)? It'd be years before it was inhabitable again (noting that Yoshi-P is loathe to commit to any significant passage of time). Assuming we figure out a way to reverse being voidsent they couldn't feasibly live there any more than anyone on the First can currently stay in The Empty.

Also, I'm not a fan of the idea that the sundered can manage a way to undo in a short period of time what neither the Ascians or Hydaelyn could figure out in 10k years. While it probably won't happen for obvious reasons, I'd love to see a recount of events on the 13th showing Hydaelyn having abandoned them to their fate while, conversely, Elidibus tried to save as many as he could. Feel free to refresh my memory, but I don't recall Unukalhai or Cylva commenting that they had any "divine" assistance against the coming doom and, unlike the Flood of Light, Hydaelyn doesn't have the same excuse of being too weak when that was the first shard to fall.

Seems like the void and voidsent still need to exist to some extent just based on the RPR job alone.

As for the Garleans, I got nothing other than maybe them studying technology on the moon will eventually lead to a reason for us to go back there? Frankly, it feels like the powers that be just wanted to be done with them as a race, as a culture, as even an influence on anything. Hopefully I'm wrong about that, but right now it just looks bad.

Edit: Forgot to mention I was hoping the junior writers would give us grittier storytelling not more comedy.

[aveyond-dreams]

Edit: Forgot to mention I was hoping the junior writers would give us grittier storytelling not more comedy.

To be fair I found Fourchenault offering the Garleans Sharlayan citizenship so soon after having nearly abandoned them to their fate incredibly hilarious. I must also commend them for dressing up Aymeric as a blue elephant! Now that I've moved my apartment to Ishgard I look forward to seeing him whenever I walk outside to use the marketboard. Do you mean to say that this isn't what you come to FFXIV for?

[CrownySuccubus]

Well, my current thought process is this: The 13th is essentially the result of a Flood of Darkness, right? So, shouldn't that mean the whole star is a dark version of The Empty on the First?

In ShB, they explained that original assumptions about the nature of light and dark were reversed: light is stagnation and stasis, while dark is mutation and change. So while the Empty was a result of aether being completely stilled to the point that everything turned to white dust, the Void seems to be a warped and twisted world where everyone and everything has mutated into something grotesque. In 6.1, they also speculate that because the Flood of Light never fully completed on the First, whatever final change or destruction was going to happen never occurred there, unlike on the Thirteenth. So far, it seems like the Thirteenth has shattered into an asteroid belt made of continents floating over a dark abyss.

[Rulakir]

Do you mean to say that this isn't what you come to FFXIV for?

Definitely not. :P I loved HW, so it's off-putting (to say the least) to see the characters treated this way. *sigh*

So while the Empty was a result of aether being completely stilled to the point that everything turned to white dust, the Void seems to be a warped and twisted world where everyone and everything has mutated into something grotesque.

Well, in that case the 13th should be beyond hope. One of the points made when treating tempering was that once physical transformation had occurred they couldn't be helped. Plus, if the planet is truly fragmented then there's no star to save anymore either.

[Lauront]

Definitely not. :P I loved HW, so it's off-putting (to say the least) to see the characters treated this way. *sigh*



Well, in that case the 13th should be beyond hope. One of the points made when treating tempering was that once physical transformation had occurred they couldn't be helped. Plus, if the planet is truly fragmented then there's no star to save anymore either.

They'd probably need to employ techniques similar to that in Eden, but even that's a slow process, unless you take advantage of the fact that time doesn't flow the same between worlds. I suspect it's in a more dire state, but any lore about its aether being absent is based in the end on measuring instruments that weren't calibrated with the true nature of darkness being understood, leaving it wide open for them to say that aether's been there all along. I notice in their recent exposition of the lore on the Void they don't bring up that finding of the NOAH expedition, that the Void lacks aether, and instead focus on it being corrupted by an excess of darkness. I doubt they'll move towards it being restored - I think the Void stuff is just to resolve that plot thread and pave the way for voyaging to other Reflections. I may be wrong, but that's the impression I have.

[CrownySuccubus]

They'd probably need to employ techniques similar to that in Eden, but even that's a slow process, unless you take advantage of the fact that time doesn't flow the same between worlds. I suspect it's in a more dire state, but any lore about its aether being absent is based in the end on measuring instruments that weren't calibrated with the true nature of darkness being understood, leaving it wide open for them to say that aether's been there all along. I notice in their recent exposition of the lore on the Void they don't bring up that finding of the NOAH expedition, that the Void lacks aether, and instead focus on it being corrupted by an excess of darkness. I doubt they'll move towards it being restored - I think the Void stuff is just to resolve that plot thread and pave the way for voyaging to other Reflections. I may be wrong, but that's the impression I have.

I'm not sure how the "time flows differently" rule works, either. Almost a decade had passed between Urianger being pulled into the first and the WOL's arrival, but ever since then, it seems like the two now move at a 1:1 ratio. Otherwise, it'd be funny to pop back over and Runar was now an elderly man with grandkids while a middle-aged Ryne and Gaia were cohabitating as life-partners.

Maybe that has something to do with the WOL still being able to go back and forth, but the point remains.

[Nilroreo]

Well, in that case the 13th should be beyond hope. One of the points made when treating tempering was that once physical transformation had occurred they couldn't be helped. Plus, if the planet is truly fragmented then there's no star to save anymore either.

Considering how quickly we transitioned from being mostly clueless against primals into figuring out a cure for tempering, learning how to bypass corruption of aether from basically all sources, and nipping the primal issue in the bud once and for all by uniting the entire world in an orgy of good vibes, Its only a matter of time until our scions pull a solution out of their ass for this one too lol. Also dynamis is a thing now and can do whatever the plot demands of it, so...

[KariTheFox]

Considering how quickly we transitioned from being mostly clueless against primals into figuring out a cure for tempering, learning how to bypass corruption of aether from basically all sources, and nipping the primal issue in the bud once and for all by uniting the entire world in an orgy of good vibes, Its only a matter of time until our scions pull a solution out of their ass for this one too lol. Also dynamis is a thing now and can do whatever the plot demands of it, so...

"Quickly"????? it took nearly ten years of real life storytelling time for that plot point to be resolved.

[Nilroreo]

"Quickly"????? it took nearly ten years of real life storytelling time for that plot point to be resolved.

More like two, maybe three patches actually. I'm specifically referring to the time period between Alisaie creating Angelo to cure Halric, to the creation of the warding scales.