Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[BingleNingle]

Dun scaith is among my favorite raids. Orbonne is great, but i still really like Rabanastre and Ridorna. Just a good set of raids there, and luckily still relatively common to get. I love the first boss in Copied Factory, it really catches new players off guard and there's so much cleanup to be done.

I've kinda decided though that in order to keep having fun I'll have to
1) just stop using duty roulettes entirely
2) only run alliance raids and select normal raids
3) largely give up on healing
since the trend doesn't seem to be changing I gotta find a way to make this fun again otherwise i don't see why I should renew my subscription. For the moment I've resolved to just pour my all into RDM and hope the thrill of dualcasting verraise can make up for the reduction in stimulation.

slightly related, god am i tired of hearing people complain about how long runs may or may not take. like. i get it's frustrating to have to do stuff over but other people don't have to run on your schedule yknow? Part of what I like about healing is the ability to pick people up and let them try again. And learn to do the fights. And learn that it doesn't matter if they make a mistake. they're all reversible. That kinda perspective is what I think makes 14 better to play than other MMOs and I'm disappointed to see it waning.

[Maltothoris]

Just bumping again to just keep this up on the front page every now and so often.

It’s great that misery is now finally near neutral but hilarious that aero 2 is an upgrade over dia at least until the hot fix tonight. They score 1 but then lose 1 at the same time.

[WaxSw]

Honestly we are now talking a lot about Whm but Sch worries me now, its rdps will keep it a meta choice but right now is the healer with the fewest free healing and not precisely by a short margin. My worries come when thinking what would SE do to "balance" it, if they keep it like now then Sch will truly be a job that relies on its cohealer to heal while they dps (which lets remember was the excuse Yoshi-P used to gut sch in Shb) but if they simply remove ED they'd dumb Sch even more, make it even more similar to Sge and kill the value of other actions of the kit (Recitation no longer serves to cheat out an AE heal without dps cost, Aetherflow on cooldown woudnt be that necessary, Dissipation becomes almost entirely useless...). A proper removal of ED would ask for significant changes on the mechanic and the Sch kit and I don't think SE can pull that off between content patches.

[Deceptus]

Just bumping again to just keep this up on the front page every now and so often.

It’s great that misery is now finally near neutral but hilarious that aero 2 is an upgrade over dia at least until the hot fix tonight. They score 1 but then lose 1 at the same time.

The fact they're willing to make Misery DPS neutral but not Toxikon 1/2 shows just how short sighted they can be at times.

It's the same thing as Aero II / Dia, it's just basic math.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I'm genuinely concerned about whatever major revamp AST is about to get... have a bad feeling they're about to pull a SAM moment and take away the few flavor heals we have to reduce buttons instead of doing something like combing the play buttons... ugh..

I mean, considering their history of tinkering with the green icons? Yeah, I wouldn’t blame you for that—I am worried too what could be going inside their head and how it will turn up in 6.2.

Yes it’s great WHM’s Lily gets the adjust they sorely need & I’d like to hazard a guess a plenty of us were surprised with this change. But personally speaking, when that is literally the highlight of all WHM’s changes and yet the ones that gets into the Live Letter slide was the lesser important change, I could not help but think this change is merely one of their ”Let’s throw darts at the board and see which one sticks”-kind of experiment they’re doing there with of course, zero semblance of understanding.

Lily change does restored a bit of my lost hope but I’d still refrain from expecting too much. I’ll never know.

[ASkellington]

I mean, considering their history of tinkering with the green icons? Yeah, I wouldn’t blame you for that—I am worried too what could be going inside their head and how it will turn up in 6.2.

Depending upon what happens I will either join the (as of this post) 110 page and 1100 post thread of "Has anyone quit healing?" or make myself a PvP main.

I find it telling that I hate PvP but would rather play healer in that mode than PvE.

[AngeliouxRein]

I’m personally hoping, with all the positive feedback from AST mains who are playing PVP, that will be their source of inspiration. For the love of the twelve, put flavor back into our cards. If they’re gutting heals, I do hope they just combine some of our heals instead of getting rid of them. I like skills like exaltation but if they’re thinking of taking it away I would love it if they combine the skill into another. Make it an additional affect that gets triggered after using aspected benefit or something. But yeah… it definitely feels like they’re playing darts with job changes…and who knows where that dart will land T_T

For SCH… that class just keep getting shoved in an out of problems. I still feel like it needs to go back to being our damage healer but some of its heals might have to change so it doesn’t overshadow other healers due to damage. Like weaker heals to where a healer with stronger heals can be partied with them… but then WHM might still get screwed over depending on AST rework..

[Nethereal]

I’m glad that this thread has gotten so popular; I hope it never falls off the front page and works as a persistent reminder to the director that healers who want just a bit more attack variety during their inevitably common downtime aren’t comfortable with remaining silent.

Making the Lilies dps neutral for WHM is on the same level as what they did to LD for DRK if not better, It is a complete game changer for WHMs.

No longer are lilies just a budget version of ruin 2.
Being given free, dps neutral, heals on the GCD without being punished in anyway is the first of its kind with only Pneuma and Macrocosmos(technically) being something similar but having completely different uses.
This truly makes WHM the beginner healer, you can heal whenever and whoever you want and as long as you still have lilies for when you want/need them you've done nothing wrong statistically.

Along with the 30 seconds to 20 second buff on the creation of lilies they're effectively Addersgall but on the GCD dare I say 'Better Addersgall' because you don't lose your ability to oGCD combo heal.
Both are "free healing" while one is on an oGCD and the other is a GCD only one only has healing(lilies) while the other is tied to mp management and damage reduction.
(Technically lilies are also mp management as they're simply a free GCD every 20 seconds.)

This separation is actually a decent one between the "Pure healer" and the Shield healers.

This change simply enables so much more on WHM with movement being a very big one the rest I can't be bothered to get into.

Now if being able to heal with GCDs whenever you want and not be punished at all(for the most part) is a good or bad thing I honestly don't care, it feels good.
It feels good knowing that when I pick an inferior healer I'm not being punished for utilizing the kit given to me.
(The Asylum & Cure 3 range buffs are also neat.)

I can't honestly say which way the meta will go but even with these changes I still feel WHM is the inferior healer of the 4, now you're just not getting punished for picking it.

[Banriikku]

WHm inferiro ? Hmm i think i disagree. With the change, WHM gets the Lilys as DPS neutral. The only problem here is WHM needs in long fights piety melds but overall with Lilys back and the bell changes WHM got what they needed except for the Mana changes.

Nevertheless, the healing needed is too low for full usage of Lilys but this goes for all healers - you cant use the full healling toolkit because there is not enough to do with it and you will end with "11111121111111111111" for over 90% of the fight.

[Acece]

Whm got the fixes it needed, it's where it should of been at the start of endwalker. Now it faces what all healers face, that is terrible DPS options, even if it has the most DPS buttons now with 5 (glare, dia, holy, assize, misery.)