Great job in 1.21 - Let's Talk Future FFXIV additions.

[Wirritosama]

Future stealth type additions like thief, ninja etc?

[TheBlazed]

Considering Yoshida wants to make FFXIV feel more like a FF game, do you really think, unlike Tanaka, he would ignore the previous MMO based around Final Fantasy III?

The mere fact we have jobs and iconic gear for them now is kind of proof he's not afraid to pull from the series. FFXIV failed simply because it got pushed out early to pad a financial report.

The fact that he not afraid to pull from FF is exactly why i made this. To give a shining light on some of the things we might like to see.

[Rydin]

While i agree, i had my time with FFXI, im more interested in this now.. but suggesting things that work from its brother.
They tried the new game approach and consequently suffered from it now im suggesting things that kept players since 2003 and to this day... but with a new angle on them.

Just a note... borrowing systems from FFXI is touchy... you have to be very careful...
But being inspired by FFXI features is a must... and needs to continue....

And FYI... the game didn't fail because they tried to be different...
The game failed because it was rushed, underdeveloped, lacked content (Zero NMs at launch), plagued by latency and lag
An FF MMO that is not an FFXI clone would work as long as it wasn't released half finished...
You definitely have good ideas, but it's time people stopped trying to sneak their ideas in on a rider
i.e. "The game failed.. guess they should have copied FFXI"
when those 2 things are unrelated

[TheBlazed]

Future stealth type additions like thief, ninja etc?

xDDD

I picked that and the Musketeer one.

WTF is an Arithmetician in FFXIV? that interested me

[Wirritosama]

Kills you with algebra

[Elexia]

I'd assume arithmetician would probably end up being like calculator or something.

[Rydin]

It's less about "re-living glory days" and more about "SE, look at what you've done before, you made a successful MMORPG, especially in the FF series 10 years ago and opt'd to ignore that."

Once again.. its about being inspired by FFXI.. not copying features directly from it...
Because to put it bluntly (And I know you loved FFXI, but it's the truth) SE wanted to appeal to a MUCH broader market than FFXI players... and I don't blame them

When you've got 500,000 people playing your online game and 6 million people playing the offline titles, as a business you have to consider ways to reach out to the other 92% of your fans

The OP has some good ideas... you even have good ideas about ZNMs... HNMs...huge zones of content... more NMs than any one person can name... But we've got to stop saying this game failed because it wasn't enough like FFXI... because financially... FFXI was just mediocre because it was exactly like FFXI

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

For the last question in the players' poll, I actually commented on this kind of OP. Basically stating that they should look to the player's posts for suggestions regarding 2.0 and only pick out key descriptions as in, "Difficult", "Long term", or "Challenging" rather than reusing past systems.

If you're going to have a team of creative people developing why not use that to your full potential? As long as you have the general idea for the content it doesn't need to be a carbon copy of something from FFXI or from any other final fantasy for that matter.

[TheBlazed]

Just a note... borrowing systems from FFXI is touchy... you have to be very careful...
But being inspired by FFXI features is a must... and needs to continue....

And FYI... the game didn't fail because they tried to be different...
The game failed because it was rushed, underdeveloped, lacked content (Zero NMs at launch), plagued by latency and lag
An FF MMO that is not an FFXI clone would work as long as it wasn't released half finished...
You definitely have good ideas, but it's time people stopped trying to sneak their ideas in on a rider
i.e. "The game failed.. guess they should have copied FFXI"
when those 2 things are unrelated

Along with those things... Battle system was negatively critized, you couldnt even party because leve's were the way to level up. (grouping on leve's), Crafting system was decent, but thousands of materials to craft 1 item.

I didnt have much problem with Latency and lag at start, it was rushed with bad mechanics leading to failure.
People didn't like what was in the game first then concluded it was rushed. Not 100% why it failed by trying to be different is a big part of its failure.

Edit: Not saying it tried to be different from XI but different in general of the FF series... i cant name any game that played that that.

[Rydin]

WTF is an Arithmetician in FFXIV? that interested me

Im guessing based on science

Lest we forget "Measures" were a weapon in FFXII
In that game the measures had really low attack power (So they did laughable damage) but inflicted a positive status effect
So the idea was you hit your own parties members with it, it didn't really hurt them but would cast bubble or haste or something on them