New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[vartrashadowbane]

nevermind you edited your post. Ignore this I guess?

[HollowedDoll]

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You could argue that is somewhat justified for hrothgar since they have their own distinct head shape that doesn't mesh well with humanoid hair and as such most shared hair would look horrible on them ( and it does. ) but literally nothing is unique about viera hairs any more than exclusive miqote ones.

So I don't get the whole "oh but viera hairs are unique and cool so we should just suck it up and not have hats." Like they literally had no reason to do a half-assed job with the hairs and release them in an unfinished state without deforms that literally every SINGLE hair that exists for any race other than viera and hrotghar has.

The ears are not an issue, they can be toggled off if necessary ( wizard hats and such ), and even then we have headgear equipment on LIVE servers that clips anyway ( shadowless gear ), so if their standard is that they could just let it clip through for most that don't look terrible. That is not an argument for not finishing hairs.

When did anyone ask for Viera to be a gimped race? Thank god they did not implement their feet, because god knows we would end up like WoW trolls.

Side note: Hrotghar players only asked to not have to fund Fantasia singlehandledly because their race was badly implemented. They sure didn't want to get their ears cut off. Nobody held them at gunpoint saying add 2B's hair, they could've just as easily added the hrothgar exclusive hairs they... "wanted."

[Denji]

Eeeh...I disagree. How is the playerbase, people who pay to play this game mind you, B-N-M as you put it, about something that costs more money, 'to much'. I don't get that. I think a good portion of the player base would have been perfectly fine with the original promises getting done. SE added additional work loads on themselves. Players can suggest what they want(hrothladies and viera lads) we didnt demand it. We cant chain them down and make them do it. They promised us more hair. The fact that we had to, from the start, pay an additional fee of 10$ to change our faces when the others races didnt was a legitimate reason to BNM. Having that issue fixed would have been a big stepping stone I think. A lot of people would have been happy. Actually I think most of us would have shut up and went to our corner to play with our new toys. Making shared hair work on veira was probably lot easier(I dont know this, I dont play that race)

I dont know, it just seems a bit wrong to use that as an excuse. If the work load was to big, dont add to it.

I am in full agreement.

Square was the ones who brought this up several months after introducing Hrothgar. They over-promised, under-delivered and then tried to do a rushed, botched job that according to the preliminary patch notes would've cost us actual cash. Whether or not this was the case isn't up for debate but their complete radio silence the instant the community exploded at them over this seems to indicate that they did fully intend on making Hrothgar players pay for fantasias for at least some aspects of these customization options as even the JP players brought this issue up.

People in my opinion are at the very least allowed to feel let down or offended and that they're paying for a service only for said service to be of low quality. This isn't some F2P cashgrab, android-app battle royale nonsense. They locked Hrothgars behind an expansion and people paid for both it and a subscription for 3 years only to be strung along, given incorrect information (some of which could be interpreted as straight-up bold-faced lies at this point) and then were finally handed some meme-tier wigs some of which are essentially just advertisements for their other products (Nier, FFXIII) and told that they're totally honestly truthfully cross my heart and hope to die doing our best here guys!! It was at the very least rude and indicated that they just weren't listening to the community and that, to me, is more than enough reason to justify people's frustration.

FFXIV was saved because they decided to listen to the community nearly a decade ago and now have proceeded to blatantly ignore the community. They messed up. The end.

[Vahlnir]

FFXIV was saved because they decided to listen to the community nearly a decade ago and now have proceeded to blatantly ignore the community. They messed up. The end.

It seems that they have grown too comfortable with mediocrity and believe that they are, once again, too big to fail no matter what decisions are made.

*looks at SE* How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!

Sadly, this is not just a trend with FF XIV, but with everything else they've been up to lately.

[reivaxe]

Eeeh...I disagree. How is the playerbase, people who pay to play this game mind you, B-N-M as you put it, about something that costs more money, 'to much'. I don't get that.

Why does everything read as people attacking the "playerbase"?
Yes, people bitched and moaned to get Male Viera and did it loud enough to get them to do it ... as someone who wants to play Female Hrothgar I'm very much grateful for this because so long as they don't look like dudes with boobs I'm very likely to play them. This is not a bad thing, I'm not telling anyone that they can't whine for something. I'm of the opinion that they should have either never done these races or simply designed them from the start in a manner that would keep them within the confines of what can be supported in this game. Now they're trying to go back and change something that was made to be limited, it's a ton of problems they made.

Resources and time are finite, doing 2x the work is logically gonna be ... 2x the work. Makes sense that they would want to lessen the work to accommodate people's bigger desires where they can.
Like hell ... this is 6.1.
5.1/ 4.1/ 3.1/ 2.1 all saw the release of new hairs. Am I not supposed to think that them releasing old hair for Hroths and Viera today didn't factor into this being the first time we don't see a new hairstyle at this point in the expac? Nothing comes without a cost.

I think a good portion of the player base would have been perfectly fine with the original promises getting done.

No, this aint how people work. I've been following this since ShB. At first, Viera were feeling themselves for like 3 months. They had the best looking, newest, HQ looking hair and "at least we're not as screwed as Hrothgar". THEN new hair started coming and of course people complained that they couldn't part take in the content rewards that everyone else had and wanted the same styles. Of course the "THESE modders can make [insert my favorite style] hair work, wtf SE?!?" came out throughout ShB. People are simply never gonna be happy with being left out, and it's stupid that YP didn't realize this.

Hrothgar? You really think Hroths wanted to pay forever to get new faces featuring new hairs? Cause that was the "original promise". They NEVER said that they planned on addressing the potion thing until very recently.

SE added additional work loads on themselves. Players can suggest what they want(hrothladies and viera lads) we didnt demand it.

The playerbase DID demand it, but that's w/e, cause I never said you couldn't or that it was a bad thing.
Simply put, I think it's silly to not think that there is a connection between the added strain of supporting the new genders/ the 2 years of demands for shared hair and the trash canning of a plan from 2019.

[Iscah]

to be fair i remember a lot of "we want more hair!" but not actually really specifying which ones. the ones they gave (2b, 9s, snow/lightning, controlled chaos, the ponytail and the one emmanelain uses) are probably the most popular

I've said before – I don't think they are "choosing" styles, I think they are planning to release everything (or most things) over time and this was Phase 1, purely chosen by "oldest shared hairstyles" and "new things made since the release of additional Viera/Hrothgar hairstyles was planned" without specifically considering the appearances. Phase 2 (the new Viera styles incoming today) continues that pattern.

At the most generous interpretation, I think they diverted from the slow-but-unique route honestly thinking it was the best way to address people's frustration about the limited choice.

Aye. They've also (supposedly) have made it so more of the facial features are interchangeable between, well, faces but I would hold off on getting excited for that until it can be truly confirmed.

That said, they have stated that they moved some fantasia-only options to the aesthetician. This was not in the preliminary notes, indicating it was a last-minute change as can be seen here: https://www.diffchecker.com/qqdgOvGk ( https://i.imgur.com/WkiFzjn.png )

How much exactly was going to require a fanta is unknown. So it could've been the new hairstyles or it could've been just the facial features. We don't know.

That doesn't tell us there was a last-minute change from requiring a Fantasia for hairstyle changes, only that there was a last-minute change to the text of the patch notes. It's more likely that they simply forgot (or didn't think it necessary) to specifically mention the aesthetician separate from editing with Fantasia.

Also, the extra facial features have never required a Fantasia to edit. There's no reason they would start now even if the hairstyles still required it.

[Raskbuck]

People in my opinion are at the very least allowed to feel let down or offended and that they're paying for a service only for said service to be of low quality. This isn't some F2P cashgrab, android-app battle royale nonsense. They locked Hrothgars behind an expansion and people paid for both it and a subscription for 3 years only to be strung along, given incorrect information (some of which could be interpreted as straight-up bold-faced lies at this point) and then were finally handed some meme-tier wigs some of which are essentially just advertisements for their other products (Nier, FFXIII) and told that they're totally honestly truthfully cross my heart and hope to die doing our best here guys!! It was at the very least rude and indicated that they just weren't listening to the community and that, to me, is more than enough reason to justify people's frustration.

FFXIV was saved because they decided to listen to the community nearly a decade ago and now have proceeded to blatantly ignore the community. They messed up. The end.

Thanks for saying that. It really feels that way.

[Denji]

That doesn't tell us there was a last-minute change from requiring a Fantasia for hairstyle changes, only that there was a last-minute change to the text of the patch notes. It's more likely that they simply forgot (or didn't think it necessary) to specifically mention the aesthetician separate from editing with Fantasia.

Except the Japanese information related to the hairstyles indicated it would've required a fantasia, as I have stated. Repeatedly. I've also stated that the JP community was concerned about this as well and were just as confused by the complete and utter lack of information.


Additionally, Yoshi-P specifically mentioned these forums and told people to voice their displeasure/dissatisfaction over it which to me seems to indicate that this was going to be a cash grab and that they need evidence to prove that the community was against this.

[Raskbuck]

People weren't asking for K-pop hair to be put on Hrothgars. And that is what we got. LMAO

I was hoping to see more...beastly hairs? maybe with some beads added? idk

But how else are they going to promote Nier for the millionth time?

[Denji]

People weren't asking for K-pop hair to be put on Hrothgars. And that is what we got. LMAO

I was hoping to see more...beastly hairs? maybe with some beads added? idk

Many Hrothgar simply wanted a short hairstyle since all of them are long, while others just wanted to be able to use facial hair on different faces since most are locked behind particular faces/hairstyles.