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    Yhisa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    You're missing the point. The lilies do indeed now function as a working system, but her point is that the potency increase fails to address two core flaws with the lily system's design. First is how you still nourish the blood lily when spending lilies during downtime or inbetween fights, and because that readies your next cast of Afflatus Misery, you're obligated to burn as many lilies as you can or as are needed between phases of a fight or between one trash pack and the next rather than actively use them in combat. Additionally, when you are in combat, you're also obligated to avoid overcapping on lilies otherwise you're losing value. And maybe you don't believe it, but many fights throughout the game, even in savage, have dry periods where not enough damage is being dealt and you have nothing to heal.

    As a Sage, I have a very similar resource in Addersgall. I don't want to sit on max Addersgall because using those actions restores my MP, so I'm obligated to use them before I hit 3. But in most fights in the game, I hit segments where I'm throwing Druochole on myself at full HP because no one's injured. As a Sage, a part of this is because I have Kardia on my tank, but with how much self healing tanks have, this experience won't be much different for WHM.

    Take Smileton for example. Do you know the second boss only uses 1 unavoidable AoE in the entire fight? I'd estimate that roughly 70% of my Addersgall is spent on someone with full HP in that dungeon. That, I might remind you, is categorized as "Expert."

    So while the improved potency does fix the biggest glaring flaw with the lily system, it's not entirely fixed and does need to be addressed in the future along with many other things the healers have needed for years now.

    Ur comparing white mage to sage....also ur using "dungeons" as a reference which isnt even hard to begin with and tanks can solo all of it (done it already on paladin) which us pointing out that expert is BAD in general...not white mage is bad

    Sage problem is they have a WAYYYYY to many OGCD to heal

    White mage have
    Assize(used for dps), tetra, benediction, asylum

    So as a white mage what u gonna do?
    U use ur lilies

    So no im not missing the point, you have given me a bad example which highlight problems with "tank" self healing in expert dungeons , and that expert dungeons does NOT provide any damage for ANY healer to do their job
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    Last edited by Yhisa; 04-12-2022 at 11:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yhisa View Post
    Ur comparing white mage to sage....also ur using "dungeons" as a reference which isnt even hard to begin with and tanks can solo all of it (done it already on paladin) which us pointing out that expert is BAD in general...not white mage is bad

    Sage problem is they have a WAYYYYY to many OGCD to heal

    White mage have
    Assize(used for dps), tetra, benediction, asylum

    So as a white mage what u gonna do?
    U use ur lilies
    SGE and WHM have a very similar resource. We both generate resources automatically every 20 seconds to a cap of 3 that we spend on healing tools. GCD or OGCD is entirely irrelevant now since the lilies have been buffed to bypass the inherent flaw of GCD healing. The fact that I used a dungeon as an example shouldn't matter because contrary to popular believe, all aspects of a game should be fun and well-designed, not just the hard content, but even in Savage that is still a regular issue I run into--needing to waste healing when the party is unharmed just to prevent overcapping Addersgall. I don't even get to use half my cooldowns in most content in this game because my Addersgall demands I use it first.
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