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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Mist P19/20/21 - P49/50/51 are a good example of the most abandoned smalls that are just used by dummy fcs with one player in them, feel free to take a look at them when you log in and report back here. and that I do know from my own eyes because I checked it several times a day for months until eventually one came up.
    And even then 275 of 1678 FC Houses on Zodiark having less or exact 3 Members. This accounts for a total of 16,38% of all FC Houses or of 4,77% of all total available plots before Patch 6.1. If we assume that all of those 275 are just abondened shell FCs and not one Single Player FC which uses their FC-House on a regular basis i'm still not sure where your 80% came from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yodada View Post
    And even then 275 of 1678 FC Houses on Zodiark having less or exact 3 Members. This accounts for a total of 16,38% of all FC Houses or of 4,77% of all total available plots before Patch 6.1. If we assume that all of those 275 are just abondened shell FCs and not one Single Player FC which uses their FC-House on a regular basis i'm still not sure where your 80% came from.
    Try 5 to 10 players, 5 or 6 players total are required to make the FC in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Try 5 to 10 players, 5 or 6 players total are required to make the FC in the first place.
    Only 4 are required to create an FC and to buy a plot. Afterwards it doesnt matter how much are left in the FC. Thats the reason why people can still hold an FC with an plot as a single person.
    But to do you and me a favour I'v gonna count every FC by hand in the 4 Districts to provide us some data for further posts once the Servers are back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yodada View Post
    Only 4 are required to create an FC and to buy a plot. Afterwards it doesnt matter how much are left in the FC. Thats the reason why people can still hold an FC with an plot as a single person.
    But to do you and me a favour I'v gonna count every FC by hand in the 4 Districts to provide us some data for further posts once the Servers are back.
    Please do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Please do.
    https://xivhousing.com/#november2021
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Bap View Post
    Thank you.

    Zodiark FC's total : 1644
    Zodiark 1-10 members fc's : 920 (55%)

    My original number might have been a bit too high, but it's still over half of them, being purely used either for submarines,abandoned,probably empty or used as personals with a few alts inside. My point more than stands, despite the percentage being a bit lower.

    Spriggan as an example is :

    2003 fcs 1-548 members
    1440 fcs with 1-10 members. (which equals to 71%)

    That is WAY over 50%.

    Ragnarok same thing with over 50% of fc houses with 1-10 members, and this works for every world.

    The biggest world being Chocobo, with a total of 2700 fc houses, and 2100 fc houses with 1-10 members. (77%)
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    Last edited by Stormpeaks; 04-12-2022 at 09:48 AM. Reason: Adding evidence and percentage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Thank you.

    Zodiark FC's total : 1644
    Zodiark 1-10 members fc's : 920 (55%)

    My original number might have been a bit too high, but it's still over half of them, being purely used either for submarines,abandoned,probably empty or used as personals with a few alts inside. My point more than stands, despite the percentage being a bit lower.
    Lucky Bancho's latest numbers are a better guide, I feel.

    A submariner will have just the one character, no need for 4, as you can use them for other houses. So 396 such FCs. However, you likely need to see which of those have housing and which don't. I think the true number will be under the 396.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Zodiark FC's total : 1644
    Zodiark 1-10 members fc's : 920 (55%)

    My original number might have been a bit too high, but it's still over half of them, being purely used either for submarines,abandoned,probably empty or used as personals with a few alts inside. My point more than stands, despite the percentage being a bit lower.
    I believe you have misinterpreted the data quite incorrectly.
    Every server has 24 wards, 60 houses per ward, and 4 total regions (currently).

    24 x 60 x 4 = 5,760 Total houses per server (as of pre-6.1)

    According to this data chart on XIVHOUSING:

    ZODIARK
    Zodiark is comprised of 1,644 FC houses total (All member count sizes).
    This accounts for 29% of the houses as owned by FCs on the entire server
    .

    The remaining 4,116 houses are all personal owned houses.
    This accounts for 71% of all houses owned as personals on the entire server.


    Spriggan
    Spriggan is comprised of 2,003 FC houses total (All member count sizes).
    This accounts for 35% of the houses as owned by FCs on the entire server.

    The remaining 3,757 houses are all personal owned houses.
    This accounts for 65% of the houses owned as personals on the entire server.



    Now let us look at the absolute extreme case which is Balmung. It is most notorious for being the most overpopulated server with the highest demand for housing.

    Balmung
    Balmung is comprised of 2,245 FC houses total (All member count sizes).
    This accounts for 39% of the houses as owned by FCs on the entire server.

    The remaining 3,515 houses are all personal owned houses.
    This accounts for 61% of all houses owned as personals on the entire server.

    In all of the above cases, FC houses that fall within the "shell" category take only a fraction of their respective distribution which further disproves that FC housing and private sales are running rampant on a level that significantly detracts from the personal housing supply. This would support Yodada's statement on your numbers being grossly inflated.

    The data falls in line consistently across most servers where roughly 30% of all houses are FC houses including potential "shell" FCs, with 70% being allocated to personal houses. As such it is safe to conclude that as of right now personal houses greatly outnumbers fc houses. Since this data has been pulled directly from lodestone, it has relatively high accuracy for a large scale representation. It is nearly impossible to know the use rate of a house since nobody can monitor a house 24/7.
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