Lets talk about caster balance

[Whalaqee]

RDM and SMN are the only DPS jobs where a situational utility is used to gauge how much DPS they should or shouldn’t do. Resurrection needs to either be:

1. Removed from SMN and RDM (leave the rezzing to the healers) or,

2. Leave it in RDM and SMN but give it a long cooldown of 60-120 seconds (thinking about it, Rekindle could be SMN’s rez instead of a useless situational regen) or,

3. Be made into a caster role action with a long cooldown. And before people start saying “but BLM has never rezzed in previous FFs!”, well, neither have they casted only fire, thunder, and ice spells. Neither have RDM casted flower and rose spells. Neither have SMN casted ruin spells. Some things are changed in MMOs for the sake of balance.

True caster balance will forever be unnatainable until something is done about resurrection, it’s way, way overdue. This is something very apparent and easy to see, whether this is something Yoshi-P sees and is just keeping it there because BLM is his main is something I've always asked myself.

The first is just a bad idea. As all it advocates for is pruning and homogenizing the game.

The second might be fine for a summoner as they mostly just use swiftcast for their ruby or emerald phase anyway, but actively punishes any red mages who are actually very adept at using their dualcast to raise their teammates.

The third is option 2, but gives utility to the black mage and saddles black mages with the same responsibility as summoner or red mage. Said responsibility is that if a wipe can be avoided, a black mage would be expected to not be selfish with their swiftcast or triplecast for their normal rotation. Also the justification for option 3, is too hyperbolic.

In addition, blue mage which is also by default a dps job that can pivot into a healer or tanking role, is given another raise if option 3. Which also invalidates the need to get Angel Whisper, which requires completing 30 floors of the carnival to get. Which also in turn reduces the importance of the Carnival.

Advocating for any of the three is just gonna result in a worse feeling gameplay experience.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

The first is just a bad idea. As all it advocates for is pruning and homogenizing the game.

The second might be fine for a summoner as they mostly just use swiftcast for their ruby or emerald phase anyway, but actively punishes any red mages who are actually very adept at using their dualcast to raise their teammates.

The third is option 2, but gives utility to the black mage and saddles black mages with the same responsibility as summoner or red mage. Said responsibility is that if a wipe can be avoided, a black mage would be expected to not be selfish with their swiftcast or triplecast for their normal rotation. Also the justification for option 3, is too hyperbolic.

In addition, blue mage which is also by default a dps job that can pivot into a healer or tanking role, is given another raise if option 3. Which also invalidates the need to get Angel Whisper, which requires completing 30 floors of the carnival to get. Which also in turn reduces the importance of the Carnival.

Advocating for any of the three is just gonna result in a worse feeling gameplay experience.

Question...Why are you even including BLU is this discussion? Blu is a limited job that never will be a full job so why would we even care about how giving a rez role action affects them? Last time I check you can't do normal at level content with blu and they are never really included in the whole balancing discussion so why even bring them up? The reason why some of us want a change to the caster rez is that it does cause balancing issue in the caster role. It encourages groups to deny one of the three casters a spot depending one where the group is in a fight. I have seen groups deny blm because they want the all mightly thrid rez and I've seen rdm and smn be deny in clear/speedrun parties bc the rez doesnt have value outside prog. The rez is always been an issue among the caster even making rdm into a meme(rezz mage) job doing SB.