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  1. #1091
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    ty_taurus's Avatar
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    Noah Orih
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    Hmmm, very curious to know what you enjoy about healing in dungeons and normal raids, since there's nothing to heal. And that odd tank that you come across every full moon in ilvl 100 gear doesn't count.
    A lot of new or learning healers rely on the GCDs before their OGCDs and overheal like crazy. For example, something I notice very often when paired with a SCH or another SGE in something like Trial roulette is that many of them cast Succor/E. Prognosis after every attack or mechanic. It irks me because not only does it lower their overall damage output and waste their MP, but it invalidates my Addersgall usage.
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  2. #1092
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    Hmmm, very curious to know what you enjoy about healing in dungeons and normal raids, since there's nothing to heal. And that odd tank that you come across every full moon in ilvl 100 gear doesn't count.
    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    A lot of new or learning healers rely on the GCDs before their OGCDs and overheal like crazy. For example, something I notice very often when paired with a SCH or another SGE in something like Trial roulette is that many of them cast Succor/E. Prognosis after every attack or mechanic. It irks me because not only does it lower their overall damage output and waste their MP, but it invalidates my Addersgall usage.
    Yep, always seem to notice these whenever I get into the mood to queue as tank. There's plenty of people that will spam Cure/Benefic/Physick/Diagnosis, overhealing massively most of the time... and failing to step up the healing if you do w2w in a dungeon that allows some of the bigger pulls and do actually need some curative power backing you up. (While not playing Warrior of course, lol).

    The game doesn't really give any indication or feedback along the lines of "Hey you're overhealing by 80% and the tank's self heals would pick up the 20% if you'd let it."
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  3. #1093
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    Yep, always seem to notice these whenever I get into the mood to queue as tank. There's plenty of people that will spam Cure/Benefic/Physick/Diagnosis, overhealing massively most of the time... and failing to step up the healing if you do w2w in a dungeon that allows some of the bigger pulls and do actually need some curative power backing you up. (While not playing Warrior of course, lol).

    The game doesn't really give any indication or feedback along the lines of "Hey you're overhealing by 80% and the tank's self heals would pick up the 20% if you'd let it."
    It gets even worse to watch when said behavior lead to a wipe, then all they could think of is something as trivial as "My Freecure didn't proc " or "I need to heal bigger " (in which case, it's always mean not efficiently).
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  4. #1094
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    BingleNingle's Avatar
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    Shell Game
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    To answer the question, I just did with 6.1. Healed since I started back in Heavensward. Already feel way more accomplished as a Red Mage dpsing and occasionally getting to heal again to recover from near-wipes. It's super nice being able to either prevent or emergency reverse disaster still while being able to play the game. Oh and people thank me now. Wild!
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  5. #1095
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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    It gets even worse to watch when said behavior lead to a wipe, then all they could think of is something as trivial as "My Freecure didn't proc " or "I need to heal bigger " (in which case, it's always mean not efficiently).
    And it's not even only new or learning healers doing it. I often encounter it with people that have multiple healers at 80+.
    They waste MP on overhealing like crazy, spamming aoe heals back to back when everyone is already near full and regens are still ticking but when things go sideways or you give them something to heal like a nice w2w, they're just completely overwhelmed and spam their weakest single target heal they can find. No ress or hard ress at the worst time and 2-3 more people die while they calmly finish their 7s cast, absolutely no priority for healing to prevent more chaos/ deaths, all powerful tools completely forgotte etc.

    I encountered signifcantly more healers that spammed Cure I/ Physick/ Benefic I/ Diagnosis in ShB and EW dungeons in w2ws than healers that just used a couple of strong GCD heals in addition to their oGCDs until it felt safe to dps again. And that's not a hyperbole, I kept track. Only two of them adjusted their gameplay when I said that using their stronger version would make their life easier if I really take a lot of damage and that they don't need to worry about a skill having a cooldown, they're not just for emergencies and help to keep things under control.
    One healer even doubled down on what they did wrong.
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  6. #1096
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    BingleNingle's Avatar
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    Shell Game
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    Don't really see the point in policing how people heal when the main complaint I've heard is lack of engagement. I'd say let em play how they want and let them reach the wall they want. If you're still healing somehow you gotta at least feel like you're doing you in the process, yknow? In general I think it's less than helpful to get mad at things like wipes or slip ups. People learn through mistakes, let them make them.
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  7. #1097
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Ehhh, I get it, because it's related to the role getting dumbed down in a roundabout way. See, when Black Mages freestyle blizzard wizards, that's fine. It's a choice, it's probably RP, and they're doing less damage. But who cares, they're having fun.

    A healer spams their cures and wipes people, you might get unreasonably mad party members. Said unreasonably mad party members eventually trickle to forums. There they moan and whine that healers "aren't healing", that they didn't make it through leveling roulette because of "that damn healer", Square hears them and goes "golly gee, they must not have healed because they were doing too much damage!", as is the (often incorrect) DPS standard opinion on why healers fail at their jobs. So they dumb the job down even more.
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  8. #1098
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    BingleNingle's Avatar
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    Shell Game
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    I'm not sure with or without that kind of chatter it would change much. I mean, it's not like people here posting makes any difference. :P

    Also people getting mad at the healer are already the ones giving them "advice", in my experience.
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  9. #1099
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    Avarnia Corthal
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    Adamantoise
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    another thing that irked me about the homogenised job design: why does fouchenault get his own unique rescue? and why do tanks still have rampart instead of their unique mitigation

    job flavour and playstyle can be so much more of they try ><
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  10. #1100
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    Silver-Strider's Avatar
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    Silver Strider
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Recon1o6 View Post
    another thing that irked me about the homogenised job design: why does fouchenault get his own unique rescue? and why do tanks still have rampart instead of their unique mitigation

    job flavour and playstyle can be so much more of they try ><
    Then we have Ranged DPS with Shield Samba, Tactician and whatever BRD's is called, when all do the same thing.
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