What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Lauront]

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on the topic of the Empire. I tend to agree with Aveyond and Theodric on how I approach such factions in a game, and at the end of the day, the discussion is more a case of given that the developers were intent on rendering their motives sympathetic, and also given that they played such a huge role so far, would an entire expansion have been better suited to that end? I'd say yes. Ilsabard is a vast territory as well, and it'd be interesting to see something like the Bozja story given more screentime and possibly more coherent writing. Their plot threads were running in parallel until Elidibus exited the scene anyway.

[Rulakir]

If I went Full Self-Indulgence, Final Fantasy XIV basically would have turned into Ancient Fantasy XIV after 5.0, and my personal ideal dream version of 6.0 would probably also be deeply disliked by a lot of people, so.

Same. The Ancients have a lot of fans though, so the only people who should hate it are the ones who aren't crazy about them. However, I have to deal with the Scions at length who I'm not crazy about, so. :P My main issue with there not being a Garlemald expansion is that would imply 7.0 was probably going to be devoted to the Ancients, which if that were the case I feel robbed.

It's hard to be excited about the 'new adventure' since all my favorite characters and lore have been done away with now. Endwalker only had a happy ending if you're a Scion fan, as an Ancient fan I think it ended terribly.

In regards to "fixing" EW, the lowest effort, and probably most plausible version, is literally to just let go of the need to make us like Venat. Let us question her, cut or heavily alter the montage, allow those with the right to hate her and be angry with her to hate her and be angry with her, and call it a day. This would correlate with making some of the more questionable, broader themes go down easier, too. EW would still be messy, but not significantly moreso than any of the other expansions I've enjoyed.

Yeah, Venat really needed to be treated no differently than Emet was in ShB. I still would've been unhappy about how EW turned out, but I probably would've been less enraged about it had the narrative not fawned all over her and insisted on everyone loving and praising her when fact of the matter is she's one of the game's primary antagonists. Anyone who doesn't believe that needs to just write down everything she's responsible for on paper and see how that stacks up against the other villains in the series. Just because she didn't do it out of malice doesn't make her good. Everything Thordan did was for the benefit of mankind as he saw it, but there's no debate that he was a villain.

[Nekokaori]

I just honestly wish the story of endwalker felt like how it was made out to feel, I will admit I'm anti vanat because she is a bad friend and I am emotionally attached to emet-selch like many other characters but taking how i feel out of it. Endwalkers story didnt feel good at all, it felt like i was watching some crappy pg-13 movie that borderlines around stuff, and makes you have no emotional attachments.

To this day, I still feel emotional attached to the little slyph that died in the walking sands, I still cry for niddhogs sad story, I still feel bad for papalymo (believe thats how his name was spelled) hell I even feel bad for bahamut, and his lover. I was emotionally engaged with emet, with almost all big named ascians, outside lahabread. But there was no reason no rymh to get attached to any of the endwalker characters that matter. I mean god damn I even cried for ryne when we left the first.. every expansion from reborn to shadowbringers felt like it should for the theme and for the story..

but endwalker I felt numb during up to the very end, and WE DIDNT EVEN GET TO ANSWER ZENOS QUESTION... it should have let us answer him at the end that bothers the hell out of me


I was invested in other expansions even though i sided with villians more so than the "heros" but endwalker I didnt care for if anything i was reliefed to get the trash over with thats all

[CrownySuccubus]

WE DIDNT EVEN GET TO ANSWER ZENOS QUESTION...

Which question are you referring to?

[Nekokaori]

Which question are you referring to?

was it a gift or a curse this life, and what of us after our fight with him that both our characters and he enjoyed at the end of the world (is the question im refering to, where ur both there in your time of dying.. that felt like a huge slap in the face we didnt even get to answer slightly

[Xirean]

was it a gift or a curse this life, and what of us after our fight with him that both our characters and he enjoyed at the end of the world (is the question im refering to, where ur both there in your time of dying.. that felt like a huge slap in the face we didnt even get to answer slightly

Did we enjoy it though? We have the option of "That I cannot deny." But I very much just wanted to make him go away at that point.

[Rulakir]

Eh, we wouldn't have been able to answer it honestly. Just like "Are you glad you joined the Scions?" It's not like you can say no.

I wish Ishikawa would've brought more of the DRK themes into the MSQ with the WoL questioning if they're doing the right thing, feeling overwhelmed with everyone relying on them all the time, etc. Endwalker in particular would've been an apt time for it.

[Nekokaori]

Did we enjoy it though? We have the option of "That I cannot deny." But I very much just wanted to make him go away at that point.

honestly i enjoyed it personally, I know alot of people hate him but on many levels i understand and feel for him the most.. and i wish I could have had the chance to enjoy our date with him without being in some nameless imperial body

Eh, we wouldn't have been able to answer it honestly. Just like "Are you glad you joined the Scions?" It's not like you can say no.

I wish Ishikawa would've brought more of the DRK themes into the MSQ with the WoL questioning if they're doing the right thing, feeling overwhelmed with everyone relying on them all the time, etc. Endwalker in particular would've been an apt time for it.

we could have said no though, we could of been like this has been hell i just wanted to explore and adventure i mean honestly im not glad we joined the scions personally

[Xirean]

honestly i enjoyed it personally, I know alot of people hate him but on many levels i understand and feel for him the most.. and i wish I could have had the chance to enjoy our date with him without being in some nameless imperial body

Not trying to disagree, but I felt like the point of that was to freak us out, not endear us to him.

[Theodric]

I've always felt that a good compromise for any given dialogue option would be to split things into at least three choices. One would be positive, one negative and the third indifferent. If need be we could have a fourth for a joke option, though the lack of dirty jokes similar to those present in the ARR era have caused me to roll my eyes when the game's newer 'humour' comes into play. It's very safe and inoffensive.