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  1. #1151
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nethereal View Post
    Get to level 80+ content and you won't have to worry about healing, because you're not needed.
    As always, leveling dungeons are far more dangerous than "Expert" dungeons mostly because your kit is incomplete and you're not above the ilvl for them.
    (15)
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  2. #1152
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    MisterNublet's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Autechre Voidmoon
    World
    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Love it that non-healers really be trying to argue about how much responsibility rests on the shoulders of the healers in content that can be run without healers. If the game was actually that demanding of the healers, we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation.
    (18)

  3. #1153
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    SGE is the closest we'll probably get to slightly more complex healer and I'm willing to bet, without a shadow of a doubt, that it will lose some complexity in 7.0.
    What

    You either don't main/play a SGE at all, or you don't bother reading their tooltip (which I understand, it's a copy pasted SCH 90% after all). It's just a SCH with WHM's level of braindeadness and AST's lossless toolkits. They too succumb into mind numbing 1 button spam ad nauseam just like their healers siblings, and even moreso because they lose the most value by not casting their nuke.

    It's not anymore complex than their siblings, at all.
    (14)

  4. #1154
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    HyoMinPark's Avatar
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    Hyomin Park
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    SGE is the closest we'll probably get to slightly more complex healer and I'm willing to bet, without a shadow of a doubt, that it will lose some complexity in 7.0.
    Like others, and as a SGE main myself, I respectfully disagree. SGE is just about as braindead as WHM in that I spend 80% of my time spamming Dosis III and not really thinking about much else. The only bit of thought I need to put into playing SGE is mitigation planning, which is inconsequential is most content. In my static, my cohealer enjoys making mitigation spreadsheets, and we discuss any moves necessary. But it certainly doesn’t take any amount of real thinking.

    The only complex healer that exists right now is AST, and that’s only if you dive into card optimization. If you just play your cards on cooldown however you want and don’t try to optimize them, AST is pretty simple. Just like the other three.
    (12)
    Sage | Astrologian | Dancer

    마지막 날 널 찾아가면
    마지막 밤 기억하길

    Hyomin Park#0055

  5. #1155
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    technole's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Thea Sitori
    World
    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    As someone who's done every healer, and swaps for savage tiers. I'd say Sage is the "easiest" because the toolkit is almost perfect out of the box and doesn't require additional steps like placement, which adds to the simplicity. You have to place Sacred Soil but you don't for Sage, it's based on where you are it applies, and so the likelihood someone won't get mitigation is much less. Granted if you sit on stacks and don't use them properly, it's going to feel more work because you aren't using the resources it provides over time. A real 'just press buttons' job.

    Like there isn't a single change Sage needs, doesn't struggle anywhere. If anything the game needs to keep up with Sage. Pneuma is revolutionary in that it's a huge HoT tick and not a straight heal, so the game can take a few seconds longer to update the party list UI because it's a tick.
    (3)

  6. #1156
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    Mimilu's Avatar
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    Mimiji Miji
    World
    Exodus
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 100
    *Looks at Havenchild's FFLogs and sees they have a purple parse for SCH*
    Are we by the docks? Because something smells fishy. XD
    (2)

  7. #1157
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    Grann-Goro's Avatar
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    Character
    Grann Goro
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    Dear healers,

    Let's go on strike until they give our job back ! ^^
    Let's play another role until then.
    (7)
    Last edited by Grann-Goro; 04-07-2022 at 12:04 AM.

  8. #1158
    Player KizuyaKatogami's Avatar
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    Kizuya Katogami
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 81
    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    As someone who's done every healer, and swaps for savage tiers. I'd say Sage is the "easiest" because the toolkit is almost perfect out of the box and doesn't require additional steps like placement, which adds to the simplicity. You have to place Sacred Soil but you don't for Sage, it's based on where you are it applies, and so the likelihood someone won't get mitigation is much less. Granted if you sit on stacks and don't use them properly, it's going to feel more work because you aren't using the resources it provides over time. A real 'just press buttons' job.

    Like there isn't a single change Sage needs, doesn't struggle anywhere. If anything the game needs to keep up with Sage. Pneuma is revolutionary in that it's a huge HoT tick and not a straight heal, so the game can take a few seconds longer to update the party list UI because it's a tick.
    I wouldn’t say i there aren’t any changes sage needs. I’d enjoy it if toxikon got a change to where it was usable in more cases than just downtime and prepull.
    (2)

  9. #1159
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    Sunhwapark's Avatar
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    Character
    Dear Boy
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Grann-Goro View Post
    Let's on go strike until they give our job back ! ^^
    Let's play another role until then.
    I have no desire for another role so I must prepare my keyboard for another expansion of Glareificoilosis.
    Plus the wait would be too long anyway, let's not forget how long it took for us to get a 4th healer in the roster.
    (4)

  10. #1160
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    Fukuro's Avatar
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    Character
    Oneiron Fuchs
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    What

    You either don't main/play a SGE at all, or you don't bother reading their tooltip (which I understand, it's a copy pasted SCH 90% after all). It's just a SCH with WHM's level of braindeadness and AST's lossless toolkits. They too succumb into mind numbing 1 button spam ad nauseam just like their healers siblings, and even moreso because they lose the most value by not casting their nuke.

    It's not anymore complex than their siblings, at all.
    The funny part is when SE marketed Sage as the „DPS“-Healer. which got everyone excited! I wasn‘t expecting too much, but I still was disappointed.
    (17)

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