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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    Relative to Materia they need to do something because 5 servers isn't enough to support game play and makes many duties hard to fill. Japan will have 32 servers soon and Materia has 5 something is wrong there and needs to be addressed. Given many on Materia are from Japan the Japan DC would be a good solution and it's the closest as well.
    JP already has 32 servers. All SE is doing is splitting the existing worlds into 4 data centers instead of the current 3.

    I agree that Materia is at a disadvantage only having 5 worlds but I don't think they could allow cross-region play for Materia without allowing it for all regions and SE probably wants to be cautious about cross data center travel at first to make certain there are no issues that weren't discovered in testing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Digit4lC4m View Post
    I see a lot of people expressing concern about cultural conflict between the NA/EU and JP populations...I don't think the NA/EU will come all way to play on JP DC, just to suffer from high Ping. I don't see the reason for NA/EU to come and "ruining their way of doing things." as the Japanese worry about. As long as Duty finder only pairs people on the same DC, it shouldn't be a problem.
    Most players wouldn't. Most probably won't even travel outside of their current data centers other than a couple of trips for curiosity's sake at first.

    But there absolutely will be trolls who delight in stirring things up. And that's going to be just as true of some JP players. There are still the occasional bad seeds there just as much as NA and EU. I suspect that's why SE added in "Each data center will also be judged based on the social customs of that data center's region in the real world." to the Prohibited Activities update last year. They wanted it stated so action could be immediately taken against those using cross region travel to stir up trouble once it's implemented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    JP already has 32 servers. All SE is doing is splitting the existing worlds into 4 data centers instead of the current 3.

    I agree that Materia is at a disadvantage only having 5 worlds but I don't think they could allow cross-region play for Materia without allowing it for all regions and SE probably wants to be cautious about cross data center travel at first to make certain there are no issues that weren't discovered in testing.



    Most players wouldn't. Most probably won't even travel outside of their current data centers other than a couple of trips for curiosity's sake at first.

    But there absolutely will be trolls who delight in stirring things up. And that's going to be just as true of some JP players. There are still the occasional bad seeds there just as much as NA and EU. I suspect that's why SE added in "Each data center will also be judged based on the social customs of that data center's region in the real world." to the Prohibited Activities update last year. They wanted it stated so action could be immediately taken against those using cross region travel to stir up trouble once it's implemented.
    There's absolutely nothing stopping a troll from making a new character on a JP data center right now. It just seems strange that the issue is always framed as Westerners, particularly Americans rushing in and "ruining" the Japanese servers. It smells a lot like xenophobia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    It smells a lot like xenophobia.
    Or a lot like people coming to XIV over the past two years, being amazed at the community when the one in the game(s) they played until recently are so horrible, then remarking on the increased visibility of trolls in this game as more people move here from other games.

    No candy-coating here, after living in Japan for a while and coming back to NA online gaming communities I rolled on a JP server as fast as I could when starting XIV because I encountered too many toxic assholes in NA-based MMOs. Yes, it was specifically to get the hell away from the cesspit of horrible behavior that were NA MMO servers. No, I do not want the cesspit of those behaviors working its way over to JP servers.

    Is it xenophobia? No. I'm American and live in the US. I do, however, want to keep the sanctuaries that are JP datacenters free of the dumpster fires, behavioral baggage, and bad habits that people coming from other NA MMOs bring with them. Am I judgmental? If that's what you want to call it, sure. After too many experiences with asshats over too many years in NA-based MMOs, it's clear to me that behaviors and attitudes I want to avoid are common and accepted among the general NA-based MMO player base. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I've learned my lessons and the message is loud and clear.

    Link NA, EU, and OCE and let everyone on those DCs play with each other until the end of the game, I think it's awesome. However, keep the JP DCs separate and places where people who want to be there for the long-term and accept the social contract of being on a JP server can play in peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illmaeran View Post
    Or a lot like people coming to XIV over the past two years, being amazed at the community when the one in the game(s) they played until recently are so horrible, then remarking on the increased visibility of trolls in this game as more people move here from other games.

    No candy-coating here, after living in Japan for a while and coming back to NA online gaming communities I rolled on a JP server as fast as I could when starting XIV because I encountered too many toxic assholes in NA-based MMOs. Yes, it was specifically to get the hell away from the cesspit of horrible behavior that were NA MMO servers. No, I do not want the cesspit of those behaviors working its way over to JP servers.

    Is it xenophobia? No. I'm American and live in the US. I do, however, want to keep the sanctuaries that are JP datacenters free of the dumpster fires, behavioral baggage, and bad habits that people coming from other NA MMOs bring with them. Am I judgmental? If that's what you want to call it, sure. After too many experiences with asshats over too many years in NA-based MMOs, it's clear to me that behaviors and attitudes I want to avoid are common and accepted among the general NA-based MMO player base. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I've learned my lessons and the message is loud and clear.

    Link NA, EU, and OCE and let everyone on those DCs play with each other until the end of the game, I think it's awesome. However, keep the JP DCs separate and places where people who want to be there for the long-term and accept the social contract of being on a JP server can play in peace.
    I doubt the assholes you speak of will enjoy being on the JP DCs.
    Connecting to NA from Japan usually get you around 160-240 ping depending on which coast the DC is. (I assume it is also the same vice versa.) They will likely complain about the ping, then head back to NA, or stay long enough to get banned if they are noticeable toxic. Based on stories about being put in jail (NA), the GMs don't mess around when it comes to reports regarding player behavior. That contribute to FFXIV having a significantly less toxic community than most other NA based MMOs.

    But I get where you're coming from, completely understandable. I've met my fair share of aggressive f******es in MMOs, especially Moba.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illmaeran View Post
    Or a lot like people coming to XIV over the past two years, being amazed at the community when the one in the game(s) they played until recently are so horrible, then remarking on the increased visibility of trolls in this game as more people move here from other games.

    No candy-coating here, after living in Japan for a while and coming back to NA online gaming communities I rolled on a JP server as fast as I could when starting XIV because I encountered too many toxic assholes in NA-based MMOs. Yes, it was specifically to get the hell away from the cesspit of horrible behavior that were NA MMO servers. No, I do not want the cesspit of those behaviors working its way over to JP servers.

    Is it xenophobia? No. I'm American and live in the US. I do, however, want to keep the sanctuaries that are JP datacenters free of the dumpster fires, behavioral baggage, and bad habits that people coming from other NA MMOs bring with them. Am I judgmental? If that's what you want to call it, sure. After too many experiences with asshats over too many years in NA-based MMOs, it's clear to me that behaviors and attitudes I want to avoid are common and accepted among the general NA-based MMO player base. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I've learned my lessons and the message is loud and clear.

    Link NA, EU, and OCE and let everyone on those DCs play with each other until the end of the game, I think it's awesome. However, keep the JP DCs separate and places where people who want to be there for the long-term and accept the social contract of being on a JP server can play in peace.
    I can respect that since I have a similar experience too. Currently OCE have a balanced mix of "i do what i want/you dont pay my sub" and "players that play every content properly (even MSQ roulettes) xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    There's absolutely nothing stopping a troll from making a new character on a JP data center right now. It just seems strange that the issue is always framed as Westerners, particularly Americans rushing in and "ruining" the Japanese servers. It smells a lot like xenophobia.
    it's not really xenophobia if all those horror stories comes from other Americans.
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