Future direction of FFXIV

[Nekokaori]

Okay here's the thing, I wasn't going to say this because i know white knights will attack me but it needs to be said.

Yoshi's game design philosophy when it comes to classes is down right idoitic and has been since realm of reborn. A long time ago when people where asking why am i being hit when I jump, i should get invurable for 2-3 seconds during jump. He came out and said if we do that everyone will play the job, but that is false some people hate that type of job. Since then they have striped jobs down to the point you might as well not even unlock some of them like bard is basically an archer completely this days not even a bard at all.

I love the new smn but i feel bad for debuffer/dot players...

The issue is the same with many devs they believe you cant please everyone so they don't even try to, but you can with 4 simple steps.

Step 1: stop making jobs for everyone, just because I know how to use claws/halbards in dark souls doesn't mean i know how to use all weapons and not all weapons are designed for me. They need to stop designing jobs for every player to use .. make them into tiers like whm/rdm easy so tier 1 star blm/sch more hard tier 2-3 star DOn't make them so simple and easy for all levels of game play. ALso make unlocking jobs more complex than just talk to A. watch a cutscene and done.

Step 2: if you remove an aspect of play like doting or buffing jobs, You better god damn add a job with that aspect of play, add a sorceresss job with just debuffs/dots for those type of players, add geomancer with storm system for us old school ast enjoyers from stormblood, There you go 99% of people happy.

Step 3: When you remove something USE YOUR GOD DAMN BRAIN, and think what do we do for the people who enjoy this, some people enjoy posistals on mele but they gone now.

Step 4: Actrually make people use their tools as often as possible, a skill shouldn't be worthless unless we go into ex, or "endgame"


Also anyone who white knights yoshi is ignoring simple facts he believes in just 2 type of healers, but i hate both high healing and shielding, I am a buffer healer and that should exist again buffing while healing the party.

[Leemon]

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As much as I want to believe that devs are doing their best, In the end they're just imperfect humans like us.. And now more than ever they are showing that in their collective decision. As perfect as Yoshi P is for the job, there's a good reason why people of power don't stay for too long, either by design or by tragedy. I hope the latter won't happen to him, there's still time to change course.

When you stay as a leader for too long, it creates a strong impression to people around you. But reality =\= impression. Certainly the last Live Letter wasnt something that's impressive from game design perspective, so now reality kicks in for a lot of people

[DPZ2]

Okay here's the thing, I wasn't going to say this because i know white knights will attack me but it needs to be said.

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If I may, what you've said isn't worthy of attack because it isn't worthy of consideration in the first place.

Thank you for providing your opinions. I look forward to hearing more about your career as a game designer.

[Rhysati]

I realize my argument about Endwalker's story won't prevail much because of how unanimously praised it was on release,

I completely agree with you. I said from release that Endwalker is a disjointed, nonsensical, badly paced mess. People heaped praise on it because they expected it to be the most amazing thing ever and refused to acknowledge how flawed it is. For me, it's the worst expansion yet. It's still not "bad" but it isn't really good either.

And, more than any expansion so far, it failed to add anything positive or new to the game. Classes got further diluted in their identities and content has become more routine and stilted. The game badly needs a shake up. We need an expansion to actually come and BE a true expansion. Something that changes things and really shows passion and love from the dev team or we are going to see the population start to steadily fall. The huge influx of WoW players we had aren't going to stay because Endwalker is about on par story-wise to modern WoW expansions and has less content than they have. And I'm saying that as someone who vehemently dislikes modern WoW and loves FFXIV. I really don't want to watch the slow circling of the drain as the devs sit back on their laurels because they don't have any true competition atm.

[Poporito_Popoto]

Okay here's the thing, I wasn't going to say this because i know white knights will attack me but it needs to be said.

Funny how people never recognize the color of their own armor before making statements.

[Liam_Harper]

In the event that Yoshida does leave, we need someone to follow his disposition toward the game. And not fall into the same mistake ActiBlizzard made of replacing all their roster with uncaring money-makers. To me, Yoshida and all the others should stay (assuming they want to, of course). Because for better or for worse, they're the ones who have made the game what it is, and they aren't the rest of Square Enix.

I don't think Yoshida needs to leave. His mindset on the game as a developer is amazing, he doesn't fill it with endless treadmills, FOMO, WoW tokens, reinvent the wheel every expansion or put the story as a second priority. That's the main reason I play this game over other MMO's on the market.

But he needs to back away from the game design. Badly. I have a strong feeling he's getting involved in pretty much everything lately, from the Story to Crafting and Gathering to testing dungeons, EX and Savage to class updates and reworks, to Housing and so on. As a result, many parts of the game feel watered down. For example the crafting system alone won awards in ARR for being so indepth, nowadays the DoH forums are dead and it's just bot infested. He needs to assign experienced designers to each feature and let them do their own thing without interfering. He can't design the entire game.

I've honestly given up on ff14 after the recent LL and interviews. I still like FF14, but I've accepted the game will never be something for me to invest in, they're not ever going to make it engaging. I enjoy the raids enough to pay a sub, it's not a "bad" game, but similar to how I ended up in WoW, I'm just waiting for a better MMO to come along, then I'll move on.

Seconding this. People think that their personal opinion of what something "perfect" is should be the universal norm, and the game should change and adapt to their personal wishes, otherwise it's a bad game, its future isn't looking bright, and Yoshida should consider leaving. Meanwhile, the rest of us are excited about 6.1.

This is 110% the attitude they had over in WoW. Almost word for word. "The game is fine, you can't expect the game to change just for you, vocal minority, the rest of us are just enjoying it". That game is a shell of what it used to be. I don't think most players even realize that big spike of players from WoW and the hype over ff14 has already died out.

[Nekokaori]

Funny how people never recognize the color of their own armor before making statements.

im on my own side, and the side the cold truth of things. To many people let the feelings and emotions cloud their judgement more so when they played the sympathy card on people making them pity them.. Humanity is weak and a disgusting species letting such things cloud them from the real truth and facts of things

[Rulakir]

Who asked for Garlemald to get reduced to a single zone storyline?

I was already disappointed with Yoshi-P's baffling decision to rush the end of the story before I heard about that. I don't understand the urgency to move onto something new and while he thinks players need a break after the heaviness of EW I'm sitting here thinking, what is my hook going forward? You've happily done away with my favorite story arc and characters, in a way I massively disliked, so I need something to look forward to that isn't just fluff.

[Ransu]

Not saying that there isn't baseless/petty complaining, but I haven't seen much of that in this thread specifically.

Funny, to me most of this thread has been baseless/petty complaining.

[Midareyukki]

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This. I've been playing since Sophia came out and while Crafting was a pain, it was still very rewarding once you've set your mind to it. Now it's just as easy as pressing a macro, all the depth is gone. Even the MB is a joke. Just make the item a guarantee at this point and keep the rotation just for quality, it's no different than what we're doing now.

Dungeons are literally just corridors with bosses, and we're losing the flavour on the early ARR dungeons because they couldn't keep the concept engaging. They spared almost no thought in designing BLU as a serious class. Eureka was just mind-numbing with Bozja being a slight upgrade. Deep Dungeons will always just be the same reskinned concept with less floors. PvP is just bad, but that seems to be changing... you know... for the 3rd time. Reminds me of Diadem.

But the worst for me is them simplifying older, challenging content. Content that was popular because it didn't treat players like children. Even stuff as simple after a while like Thunder God Cid just became a case of "if you wipe, it's because people try to brute force things". When Stormblood came out people complained Shinryu was hard! It's why we have people defending lowering your ilv for Alliance Roulette and force ARR content.

But every time you had those who felt okay with that and didn't want complexity. You have people complaining that others are complaining. Even for content they themselves will never play, look no further than Hrothgars. Not even casual players are okay with how muted the game is. People have lives, I do get that. But it's also an MMO. Not everything will be quick and easy. People should be realistic about what they can or cannot do. Not everyone is going to want to do Savage on-content with a limited life, just as much as how not everyone wants to do the same boring dungeon every darn day even if they have time for it.

This is 110% the attitude they had over in WoW. Almost word for word. "The game is fine, you can't expect the game to change just for you, vocal minority, the rest of us are just enjoying it". That game is a shell of what it used to be.

Ah yes. "Stop complaining, no one will listen to you because you're just 2% of the playerbase". Been hearing that A LOT this weekend. For those you white-knighting the hell out of a dev team that honestly won't even remember your names, when the dipping quality of the game hits you, don't say the 2% didn't warn you.

Humanity is weak and a disgusting species letting such things cloud them from the real truth and facts of things

Psychology's moved past Decartes's logic. Welcome to the 21st century, we know better now. Even the most logically-sound argument can be grounds for sheer disaster. Plus, name one animal capable of similar thought process, it'll be just as gross.