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    Misplaced_Marbles's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    They would do well to look at how the likes of WoW, ESO and Lost Ark make use of their open worlds. Encouraging players to explore and uncover hidden secrets isn't a bad thing and helps make FFXIV's zones have more relevance beyond occasional MSQ quests and gathering nodes.
    Then again, it's hard to uncover secrets when they don't exist. All areas I've find in open world that didn't have a quest or FATE in them were empty. There is no discovery unless there's something telling you to go and do a thing, and then it's just crossing that thing off a list.

    There aren't even any secret FATEs anywhere, since they all just randomly appear on the map.
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    Stellan Djt-dolja
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles View Post
    Then again, it's hard to uncover secrets when they don't exist. All areas I've find in open world that didn't have a quest or FATE in them were empty. There is no discovery unless there's something telling you to go and do a thing, and then it's just crossing that thing off a list.

    There aren't even any secret FATEs anywhere, since they all just randomly appear on the map.
    Why should they do that when someone will post about it on a third-party website like Discord or Reddit ruining the secret? Obviously its better to have nothing than something because of the dreaded third-party sites.
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    Samsara Trickster
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    Quote Originally Posted by Y2K21 View Post
    Why should they do that when someone will post about it on a third-party website like Discord or Reddit ruining the secret? Obviously its better to have nothing than something because of the dreaded third-party sites.
    just don't look it up then??
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles View Post
    Then again, it's hard to uncover secrets when they don't exist. All areas I've find in open world that didn't have a quest or FATE in them were empty. There is no discovery unless there's something telling you to go and do a thing, and then it's just crossing that thing off a list.

    There aren't even any secret FATEs anywhere, since they all just randomly appear on the map.
    Can't speak for other games but WoW really wasn't any better when it came to discovery because spawn locations for treasure chests and the like were data mined and botted (why Blizzard ended up removing a lot of them over the years - there was no point when the bots would get them). There were the treasures phased at the character level that could only be collected once - and most players just looked them up on WoWhead to save time. Even if a player collected them via random encounter, the need to explore stopped once they were collected.

    And actually there are "secret" FATEs in this game. They have spawn conditions that must be met. They will never appear on the world map when active, only the mini-map when you are in close range. It's not a huge number (only 2-3 per expansion) but they do exist.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 04-03-2022 at 03:09 AM.