Support for FCFS housing in 6.1

[Fenril7]

FCFS favored massively unhealthy length of signboard clicking/macroing.

Lottery is far more preferable.

Do you know what FCFS actually details? You get to the house first, you click the sign once and the property is yours! There is no “unhealthy clicking/macroing”. Troll some more.

For those players who wanted the lottery, you got it! I give it a few weeks before you guys are crying as the amount of available housing goes down and the amount of people getting into the lottery goes up!

[LunaFancy]

Do you know what FCFS actually details? You get to the house first, you click the sign once and the property is yours! There is no “unhealthy clicking/macroing”. Troll some more.

For those players who wanted the lottery, you got it! I give it a few weeks before you guys are crying as the amount of available housing goes down and the amount of people getting into the lottery goes up!

Yeah, I've given up even trying to explain this, just kick back and pre-make your popcorn for the aftermath. I am just sad that they decided to screw and entire new data centre over with this idiocy.

I'm hoping my decision to move to the lowest pop world and waiting til the last minute serves me well enough to get my FC a house with my alt and myself my old large back on my main.

Can't wait for the penny to drop when all the lottery fans finally realise that the shell FCs they are so terrified of were the ones who benefitted from implementing this on a new data centre and the only people shut out of housing were FC leaders who didn't have alts.

My guess is there will be homeless FCs when the dust settles because people wanted their personals and didn't have alternatives to proxy bid with.

[Jojoya]

Do you know what FCFS actually details? You get to the house first, you click the sign once and the property is yours! There is no “unhealthy clicking/macroing”. Troll some more.

For those players who wanted the lottery, you got it! I give it a few weeks before you guys are crying as the amount of available housing goes down and the amount of people getting into the lottery goes up!

Except that's not what FCFS entails. FCFS entails placard camping for a considerable period of time while not being able to play the rest of the game (unless you're running multiple service accounts and are placard camping with the account(s) you've attached to your bot).

On the first day of a ward addition, the camping can be bypassed if you're able to beat the login queue the moment the servers come online. That's not going to happen for most players. By the time they're able to get past the log in queue, or log in later that day/week, everything has been sold and the only plots left are those that were vacated by relocators but subject to the purchase timer.

That's why SE has had to resort to the lottery - to make sure players who don't have that freedom to log in the moment servers come online and luck to beat the log in queue also get a fair chance to purchase.

And of course players are still going to be upset a month from now. It's got nothing to do with the lack of FCFS because they wouldn't be able to get a plot with FCFS anymore than they were able to get one with the lottery. It will be because there are not enough houses for every player to have one regardless of which purchase system gets used.

My guess is there will be homeless FCs when the dust settles because people wanted their personals and didn't have alternatives to proxy bid with.

Even on Materia, it should be a rare FC that doesn't have at least one player who doesn't want a personal house or an additional character in the FC that enter for the FC while entering for a personal on their main.

SE released the major details about the housing changes back in November (we knew at that point that entries were per character and that FCs could have multiple members entering). That was plenty of time for players who cared to prepare for this. There was still more than enough time left when the official Materia opening information was posted back in January and the data center opened.

The only players that should be unprepared are those who weren't paying attention or who for some strange reason felt SE would completely change their announced plans at the last minute. Their fault for not being prepared for the worst case scenario.

Have you done a straw poll with your own FC and with your friends in other FCs to find out which will not have any members available to enter on behalf of those FCs? How many will be okay? How many will have a problem?

[LunaFancy]

They never even alluded to the entirety of Materia being lottery. Even when they started muttering about the possibility they teased us with partial FCFS and partial lottery.

And why on earth would there be people who don't want houses in anyone's FC? Do you understand that not a single soul on the data centre has had the ability to purchase a plot until now? God even people who have never wanted it before are going to be lotting on OCE to 'try their luck'. .

I give up, I swear it's like banging my head against a brick wall trying to explain that the situation on Materia is not like the situation on every other data centre.

[Jojoya]

They never even alluded to the entirety of Materia being lottery. Even when they started muttering about the possibility they teased us with partial FCFS and partial lottery.

And why on earth would there be people who don't want houses in anyone's FC? Do you understand that not a single soul on the data centre has had the ability to purchase a plot until now? God even people who have never wanted it before are going to be lotting on OCE to 'try their luck'. .

I give up, I swear it's like banging my head against a brick wall trying to explain that the situation on Materia is not like the situation on every other data centre.

They also never alluded to Materia being treated different from the other data centers. Again, always better to plan for the worst case scenario.

Not every player cares about housing. That's not difficult to understand. That doesn't mean they don't want to be part of a social group like a FC. FCs aren't about housing.

If someone has two (or more) characters in a FC, only one is capable of owning a personal house unless each character is on a separate service accounts. That leaves one to buy a personal house and the rest to help out the FC.

We understand that Materia's situation (for now) is different from other data centers. We get that players there are increasingly frustrated. If it had been up to me, I would have made housing available 4 weeks after the worlds opened - plenty of time for veterans to get their characters transferred or new players and reroll characters for veterans leveled enough to be eligible to purchase. I feel it is a bad decision for SE to wait as long as they have to give you access to housing.

It doesn't change that SE has chosen for its reasons of its own to wait until 6.1 and apply the lottery to all Materia wards just as they are doing with all other regions. We can't change things for you. Only SE can do it and at this point they probably don't have the time needed with all the other things they need to do to prepare for the patch release.

I still don't see any problems for Materia given the extremely low number of current active player there.

Anyone who just want a house WILL get a house provided they aren't fussy and go for unicorn plots.

I think someone looked up the numbers and even on Ravana which is the most populous Materia server, there are only about 1K free companies, and that's not discounting those which are ineligible for housing at 6.1 due to being new or not rank 6.

Just to put things in perspective, there are going to be 7k new plots per server and from what Yoshi-P alluded in the latest live letter, they will be allocating more plots for FCs so at least half or 3.5k plots will be available for FCs alone.

Simply put, empty wards are going to be more of an issue then players not being able to secure a house.

But it could be a problem for those who were hoping to secure a medium or large for their FC at the same time they wanted to secure a medium or large for themselves. There's only going to be 720 large houses and 1680 mediums. It's hard to say how many players transferred characters to the Materia worlds with sufficient gil (or more) to buy those prime plots and if they've spreading any excess gil around the community to stimulate the economy.

[Shibi]

...It's hard to say how many players transferred characters to the Materia worlds with sufficient gil (or more) to buy those prime plots and if they've spreading any excess gil around the community to stimulate the economy.

I don't think I can get a prime plot, in fact I am steeling myself not to get anything at all. But I started at level 1 on my OCE main, and I've collected:



On top, I've given away a few million to friends to help them reach their smalls.

How? Selling Leather, Ore, Diadem mats, and I chain-ran healing leveling dungeons for a month and sold the Materia X / Materia IX on the MB - Granted it's dropped off a lot recently, plus I am not logging in as much and when I do. I now do zero healing, the news of lottery only was too sad for me.

Getting gil isn't hard if you know what is needed by other people, and don't buy glams. And knowing what people will want is just experience.

[Jojoya]

I don't think I can get a prime plot, in fact I am steeling myself not to get anything at all. But I started at level 1 on my OCE main, and I've collected:


On top, I've given away a few million to friends to help them reach their smalls.

How? Selling Leather, Ore, Diadem mats, and I chain-ran healing leveling dungeons for a month and sold the Materia X / Materia IX on the MB - Granted it's dropped off a lot recently, plus I am not logging in as much and when I do. I now do zero healing, the news of lottery only was too sad for me.

Getting gil isn't hard if you know what is needed by other people, and don't buy glams. And knowing what people will want is just experience.

I hope you do manage to get one. At least you've demonstrated the potential is there and you're as prepared as you can be.

I thought the OP was to voice support of FCFS as a feedback, not the opposite? If you don't agree, just make your own post to voice feedback for the opposite? I for one am heavily for FCFS system on at least SOME wards. And totally against ALL lottery. Im sure SE wanted lottery from the get-go and only gave us false hope for FCFS in the weeks running up to producer letter to minimize the blow-back from the community in favor of FCFS. Yes, we would change our sleep patterns, and cut every corner to get the plot and as for the people who made some questionable choices in their lives to be in position when they cannot set aside a specific time-frame (probably not more than 10-20mins) known weeks ahead due to job commitments and such, well, you will still have the chance to enter the lottery, isn't it. I think lottery really sucks, and even more so on Materia, where ALL housing will open all at once (that's some 7500-ish houses per world)

You don't get to dictate who can participate in a discussion and what they're allowed to say. Dissenting opinion is just as valid as agreement. All SE asks is that we keep our posts more or less on topic.

I agree that SE probably was already favoring lottery when they announced it because FCFS has too much potential for exploits bots and RMT. As I've pointed out elsewhere, there's still room for FCFS on worlds where demand is so low that plots remain empty even after a couple of lottery periods. Because players would not need to resort to bots or RMT to buy houses on those worlds, FCFS would be safe to use. If all those plot did fill up later, SE could switch back to the lottery.

So we look to Materia over the next month. What will actually happen with housing on the Materia worlds? Some believe there are already too many players and FCs, and that everything will sell out. Others think there are almost no players eligible to buy and the wards will remain mostly empty. It's a learning experience for all of us, and hopefully SE will take those lessons to heart when it's time to open the new worlds for EU and NA this summer.

[Shibi]

I hope you do manage to get one.

Thanks Jojoya. I do want to start growing my FC, but I have never started this task - in this game or other MMOs - without having the base of operations first. Others claim a homeless community can be formed with everyone sitting in Limsa, but this goes against what I have seen in some 18 years of MMO playing.

At this point, with 6 alts over 2 service accounts I think I will do 1 FC bid on a Mist Medium, and 5 FC bids on a Mist small, and just hope I can deflect people towards other small plots. To maximise my chances for the FC I will forego a personal.

So we look to Materia over the next month. What will actually happen with housing on the Materia worlds? Some believe there are already too many players and FCs, and that everything will sell out. Others think there are almost no players eligible to buy and the wards will remain mostly empty. It's a learning experience for all of us, and hopefully SE will take those lessons to heart when it's time to open the new worlds for EU and NA this summer.

One thing we have learnt already is that 90+ days for release is just too long to cement a community together, and those first days are 100% crucial to do it in. 90+ days also allows far too many gil sellers to grind up their shell FCs - this could more prevalent when JP/EU/NA words become available as there will be intra-DC travel for those by then.

The no-housing lockout on JP/NA/EU worlds will been to be longer than the 30 day minimum FC membership, maybe 45 or 60, but I really hope that SE learn from what I see as huge mistakes they made for us, and don't lock the rest of the world out for 90+ days again. That was bone-headed of them.