Ishgard Housing Details are Out

[Faafetai]

I have no clue how to quote a quote. Quoting you who quoted square. >.<
Q: Is there a Grand Company rank requirement to submit an entry for a free company plot?
A: No.

This is one thing I have the biggest problem with because I have literally seen freshly made bot characters in underwear purchases houses because of this. I know it may not be a big deal for them to level up and get the their grand company rank up but they should have to jump through hoops to do this. This part kinda makes me upset because I know they keep making new characters and they don't even have to do any quests just have the permissions and gil and away they go.

Q: What happens if multiple free company members enter the lottery for multiple free company plots and we win more than one?
A: You will need to choose one of the winning plots and then complete the purchase procedure. The other plots will be treated as "failing to claim your plot of land during the results period despite having won the lottery" and a 50% cancellation fee will be deducted from the deposit paid at entry.

I kind of like this but also hate this, but this is coming from someone who literally just has enough for maybe 3 houses and a small guild with only people I know irl. I am talking maybe enough for 3 smalls worth so if we were to even think about increasing our odds for 3 different plots we would be guaranteed to literally be too broke for one. It would literally be one ticket put in for 3 houses so I guess they just want whatever amount of members to throw in for one house so they don't get the penalty. Kind of strange though in a way but I do like this as well because that means the people with say 150 members will be punished for trying to bid on the entire ward at once, but does not stop them from putting in 50 tickets on 3 plots. I guess if you have the gill to spend this honestly would not disincentive those people from doing it anyway honestly.

Q: What happens if multiple free company members apply for one plot and win?
A: Every member holds a unique lottery number and only the member who has the winning number can proceed with the purchase. Other members will not be selected and will receive a 100% refund of the deposit paid at entry.

So I guess what square wants is the real lottery to be what they are basing things off of where a rich person who buys 70 tickets has a better chance of winning than the shmuck who could only afford one. I don't play the lotto.(I am speaking of the lotto where your name is in one of those barrels and someone puts in 150 names against your one small piece of paper. Sure there is a chance you might get lucky and your name is picked against all odds, but the probability is like rolling a weighted dice.)

This also reminds me of the person who claimed you did not have an advantage by purchasing more retainers, but the chance of getting fat kitties increases with each fishing retainer. More retainers more chances. Sure the rng in final fantasy has left my poor partner fat kitty minion less for almost a year now, but that one time they streak positively I feel like they will end up getting 10 fat cat minions in the span of two weeks or something crazy. I think they did at the start they landed 4 fat cat minions in a row and now none for almost a year. I honestly do not know what to think about the rng in final fantasy, it is truly something else like that poor person stuck with a ton of those cute bom boko tabletop decorations that they couldn't sell, and on the other hand there was someone who couldn't get them at all.

Not just people... characters. One can make 8 characters per service account, they can all bid.

Aye the least they could do is make it one house per server but that would stop the ability to have a house for your character I guess for rp purposes, it would suck, but at this point there are not enough houses to begin with, so having luxuries like one house for each character is just not something you should be allowed to do. It was different in swtor because you can literally get one instance house in each area and share it with your legacy without it causing issues for other people. Everyone got one stronghold in each area so you could decorate I think it was 9 places for role play which was just....I miss that game sometimes.

[Dagget]

What I want to know is: when we click on a placard of a plot up for sale, can we see how many ppl have already paid in to the lottery for that plot? Some might have 100, some smalls in poor spots might have 4-5. Plot should also show when the lottery roll for that plot will happen. With that info in hand, lot of ppl will be able to hold out until close to closing date to find a plot with fewer competitors to go head-to-head with for the plot.

[Dustytome]

What I want to know is: when we click on a placard of a plot up for sale, can we see how many ppl have already paid in to the lottery for that plot? Some might have 100, some smalls in poor spots might have 4-5. Plot should also show when the lottery roll for that plot will happen. With that info in hand, lot of ppl will be able to hold out until close to closing date to find a plot with fewer competitors to go head-to-head with for the plot.

From the page linked to on the first post:


It shows "Current Participants" under the Plot Details.

[Shibi]

It shows "Current Participants" under the Plot Details.

Yep, more like this though:

[dspguy]

I promise you not all of us are paying a sub solely to keep a house. Some of us actually enjoy the rest of the game so we're paying to play.

I'm not saying it matters if someone is subbed to keep a house or not. What I'm saying is that 400,000 plots is roughly 400,000 permanent subscribers. Soon to be 500,000 plots and 500,000 subscribers.

You also don't have to stay constantly subbed to keep a house. Sub for a month, unsub for 6 weeks, keep rotating on that schedule. As long as you reset the timer the first and last day of your subbed month, you have nothing to worry about.

Of course you don't have to stay subbed 100% of the time. Plenty do.

The bigger picture here is... SE is pulling in a near guaranteed 7.5M/mo after Ishgard housing is bought up. That's 90M/year from players whether they play the game or not. And keeping the housing supply tight works in their favor.

[dspguy]

This is some back of the napkin math:

Not that long ago, I did some research about the FFXIV playerbase. Some of this is obviously estimates, but number of daily active players is somewhere around 3.5M with 35M accounts total. Obviously many of those 35M accounts are probably inactive but the 3.5M daily players aren't the same 3.5M players every day. But, why don't we go with 3.5M as a low number for the size of the playerbase. With about 70 servers, that leaves about 50,000 players per server (some servers are more crowded than others). Currently, each server has 5760 plots per server. That's roughly 1 plot for 10 active players. Not every player pursues a plot due to the current system in place.

The lottery system offers a low chance to win, but a chance nonetheless without the need to spend time clicking a placard. I wouldn't be surprised if nearly all of those players without a house try for a house. That is about 45,000 players vying for the new 1440 plots. Now, not all plots will have the same interest due to plot location and size. 45000 players going for 1440 plots is about 30 players per plot. Or a roughly 3% chance.

Honestly, given the competition I've seen at plots that came up after players switched data centers about 2 months ago, a 3% chance is better than what most players saw at most plots that popped up. I commonly counted 50ish for a small and nearly 200 for a large. Sure, some plots will see extra interest (larges or those plots that are in an ideal location) while others will see less interest. I wouldn't be surprised if the less desirable small plots wind up with less than 10 tickets.

[Shibi]

The lottery system offers a low chance to win, but a chance nonetheless without the need to spend time clicking a placard. I wouldn't be surprised if nearly all of those players without a house try for a house. That is about 45,000 players vying for the new 1440 plots. Now, not all plots will have the same interest due to plot location and size. 45000 players going for 1440 plots is about 30 players per plot. Or a roughly 3% chance.

Take out maybe 50% or more for FC only plots and don't forget what happens after Emperyum.

Now it's 1% chance, or like 100 people around a placard, which was rarer. Then realise it's a one time thing, after 9 days all of Emperyum is gone, there will be a smaller number of relocations appear for 9 days, then all those are gone, and it's back to demos.

So, after 18 days, a sizable chunk of those 45,000 people are going for one or two homes every 9 days. It's no effort, after all, and 3,000,000 is nothing really, why not?

[DeNada]

Take out maybe 50% or more for FC only plots and don't forget what happens after Emperyum.

Now it's 1% chance, or like 100 people around a placard, which was rarer. Then realise it's a one time thing, after 9 days all of Emperyum is gone, there will be a smaller number of relocations appear for 9 days, then all those are gone, and it's back to demos.

So, after 18 days, a sizable chunk of those 45,000 people are going for one or two homes every 9 days. It's no effort, after all, and 3,000,000 is nothing really, why not?

3 million gil is not nothing, you might have a skewed perspective for how hard it is for new players to get enough gil given that you are a veteran player. For new players, it is still quite an insignificant hurdle to overcome especially when they might still spend their gil on other stuff such as glamours, levelling crafting etc.

[Eraden]

3 million gil is not nothing, you might have a skewed perspective for how hard it is for new players to get enough gil given that you are a veteran player. For new players, it is still quite an insignificant hurdle to overcome especially when they might still spend their gil on other stuff such as glamours, levelling crafting etc.

If you meant a significant hurdle, I quite agree. It's mostly long timers and people who are seriously into crafting/gathering who would find 3 million Gil to be fairly easy to come by.

[ZJyn]

Wasn't happy with it when it was revealed. Not happy with it now. It solves only one of the plethora of issues surrounding housing, and has devoted engineering time, now lost, to something that doesn't alleviate what frustrates the ever living bleh out of people who want to get a house in this game.

Give it a few months, and it will be back to the same topics of housing shortages again

They really should just bite the bullet and instance the thing. It was feasible in an MMO from 2004 for goodness sake.