A thought of inviduality to jobs

[ReynTime]

BLU has these options, but people will always go for the same builds, even if it's to their detriment.

There's plenty of individuality in the jobs as they are, not just in skills but how they play.

It shouldn't come as a shock that when most people are used to the game's rigid job design they don't want to put the effort into testing skill setups instead of just looking for ready solutions online.
Same reason why Bozja raids were/are a nightmare with a lot of people not using LA and essences because that flexibility goes against how the entire rest of the game expects you to play.

[RobynDaBank]

just because there are sheep who follows a meta isnt rlly an excuse ive always done my own build on games that have "metas" and guess what on diablo 2 i destory everyone with a spear amazon and guess what the meta for amazon is lightig jav or bowzons lol

Meta-followers always have their own reasons for going meta. Maybe their group wants them to play something in particular. Maybe their group realizes that perhaps something extra like utility or damage will be necessary to push them to a kill. Maybe the player is literally playing it for fun because they enjoy the gameplay anyway, or like seeing big numbers. If you don't want to be bashed for picking your own choices, then don't bash the other camp for wanting to play what's best for their group or for themselves.

As for your BLU picks. Take this simple example. You have Self-destruct, and you have Final Sting. Self-destruct potency lies at 1,500, and Final Sting at 2,000. Why would you ever pick Self-destruct? "Meta" gets decided in a similar way. It's all math, and a few more variables like utility. You wouldn't take a CC spell for a scenario where the CC is unusable. You wouldn't take Missile to a Stormblood dungeon or a Raid because the bosses are literally immune to that. When in a pinch and needing space, you'd replace Song of Torment for Nightbloom because the latter is massive damage, is AoE and is on top of that an off-GCD instant (though of course depending on the scenario you can pick Song of Torment as well).

Meta isn't just "hurr I saw the tier list and I picked up this Job because of it". At least not always. Not every meta player is a sheep.

[Nekokaori]

But it still wouldn't accomplish what you want it to. Doesn't really matter how you feel about it.

it would though people would have a choice either be a sheep and follow a meta or have a brain and think for themself how they want to play, and what matchs their style of play

[Deveryn]

it would though people would have a choice either be a sheep and follow a meta or have a brain and think for themself how they want to play, and what matchs their style of play

If you've played through all the jobs through 90, you'll see this choice exists.

[Azuri]

Yes, slapping three of those copy-paste 200-220 potency spells that comprise the vast majority of BLU abilities onto eastablished (both in terms of gameplay and power fantasy) job kits is definitely the solution to all homogenization. How did no one think about it?

[Jin-]

I wish they brought RPG to this combat and class design we have. Currently it feels more like an preset classes with no customization to choose from

[Nekokaori]

If you've played through all the jobs through 90, you'll see this choice exists.

it doesnt and lvl has nothing to do with it.. listen to logic for a change

2 dark knights will always be the same no matter what 2 ast will always the same no matter what 2 white mage always the same no matter what, just because u have choices of the job doesnt mean its a choice because no matter what end of the day 2 players with the same job are the exact same mirror images of one another period.. thus no choice

atleast with choices u can choice to design ur own and tell the sheep to go to hell and make ur own groups/and stuff and humlate the sheep by destorying their times, and damage with your own style of play choices

[Deveryn]

It shouldn't come as a shock that when most people are used to the game's rigid job design they don't want to put the effort into testing skill setups instead of just looking for ready solutions online.
Same reason why Bozja raids were/are a nightmare with a lot of people not using LA and essences because that flexibility goes against how the entire rest of the game expects you to play.

The main reason Bozja's a nightmare is people still haven't learned mechanics. (Pyretic / Ice should not be such a problem by that point.) The real problem with essences is people using them to quickly end FATEs before people have a chance to get there.

[Deveryn]

it doesnt and lvl has nothing to do with it.. listen to logic for a change

2 dark knights will always be the same no matter what 2 ast will always the same no matter what 2 white mage always the same no matter what, just because u have choices of the job doesnt mean its a choice because no matter what end of the day 2 players with the same job are the exact same mirror images of one another period.. thus no choice

atleast with choices u can choice to design ur own and tell the sheep to go to hell and make ur own groups/and stuff and humlate the sheep by destorying their times, and damage with your own style of play choices

You're not looking at the big picture of all the jobs. There are variations in all the job sets. Variations are such that some will find AST more comfortable than WHM or SCH more comfortable than SGE. That's what I'm talking about. The choice you want is too specific and it's drawn from a game that hardly compares. D2 is ancient history.

D2 was 5(?) customizable classes that often had specific builds that worked best (RIP guided / pierce 1.09) XIV has 19 (plus blu).

[SeverianLyonesse]

I have accepted that FF XIV does not have modular job kits because it is not that kind of game. It is a social game and everything is designed in service of that. Anything which encourages competitiveness is antithetical to FFXIV's design philosophies.

If I wanted kit-based gameplay in an MMO, I would play something else. Which is exactly what I do when I get that urge. Guild Wars 2 is fantastic for that kind of experience.

Also, you have plenty of "choice" as compared to other MMOs. It's just that instead of being able to swap specs on a single job, you get to swap entire jobs.