Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Deceptus]

"He's pretty good at managing 80-90% of this game" doesn't mean Yoshi isn't at fault for the trashfire that is healer design. It means he needs to hire a designer or three who knows what they're talking about when it comes to healer engagement. Just as importantly, LISTEN to those designers.

Hence why I don't agree with the calls to toss him out because a few aspects of the game are horribly mismanaged. Do you think a new director would make healing engagement better? I'm cynical there. I think there's a pool of stubborn to draw from at Squeenix headquarters.

Respectfully as other have said we've been in this situation for years now. At some point the blame needs to be pointed to the boss, the person who is supposed to oversee everything.

Good or bad, that's the nature of the lead position. You are ultimately responsible for your people if you are a good leader.

I think another issue is Trust. It's hard to keep and easy to lose. Many players are starting to lose Trust and Confidence in Yoshi-P as lead director. How many times can someone say "Trust me, we'll fix it, wait a bit" only for things to not be fixed? Like I said, it's been going on for years. This is on top of the multiple instances where he has been relatively clueless in the basic aspects of the game.

When players ask "Do you even play your own game Yoshi-P?" He can say Yes. Because he does play. As a DPS.

When Healers ask that same question? He can't say yes, because he has no point of personal point of reference.

Then he has the audacity to tell Healers to play the hardest content in the game if they're unsatisfied with the way the job plays.

[Semirhage]

I agree the blame lies with him. I'm just skeptical that anyone who'd replace him from the ranks of Squeenix Japanese Corporate Culture would make any waves. I'm of the opinion we'd need someone willing to (maybe not actually doing so, but willing) to do another ARR level shakeup. Job homogenization isn't getting fixed by a director who isn't interested in doing so. It's also not getting fixed by someone who'd make a timid suggestion or two while keeping the lights on.

[SeverianLyonesse]

I agree the blame lies with him. I'm just skeptical that anyone who'd replace him from the ranks of Squeenix Japanese Corporate Culture would make any waves. I'm of the opinion we'd need someone willing to (maybe not actually doing so, but willing) to do another ARR level shakeup. Job homogenization isn't getting fixed by a director who isn't interested in doing so. It's also not getting fixed by someone who'd make a timid suggestion or two while keeping the lights on.

Job homogenization is not going away. I think that is something people need to come to terms with. And if it does in any way change, it will be for the worst, i.e. the only differentiation will be to make some jobs even easier for newer players.

If we are going to argue on any front, it can't really be from any sort of ideology of introducing job complexity. The game has long abandoned that for healers. Instead, arguments observing a lack of fun are more likely to resonate with the devs.

[ASkellington]

The game has long abandoned that for healers. Instead, arguments observing a lack of fun are more likely to resonate with the devs.

I am losing faith that even that will work.

[Deceptus]

The game has long abandoned that for healers. Instead, arguments observing a lack of fun are more likely to resonate with the devs.

Problem with that is the concept of "fun" is extremely subjective, which is why many of us focus on "engagement". We just want something to do that isn't boring when there's no healing to be done.

[Rilifane]

The problem with "fun" as an argument is that it's too easy to brush off.
"You're not having fun on healer? No problem, there are plenty of other jobs to play and enjoy. There are enough people that enjoy it, maybe it's just not for you"
You can bet that the people that told players to unsub if they're bored or don't have fun will also tell unhappy healers to play a different role if they're bored on healer or don't have fun. And it's also too easy to use the numbers of healer participation to show everyone that everything is fine.
It doesn't matter that a good portion of those numbers come from people that just want instant invites or easy clears and doesn't care about healers.
It's one of the many things that killed WHM: no matter how bad it is, people will play it because "Easy, straightforward starter healer! Classic FFXIV healer! A staple!" so you can brush off negative feedback with a "But look how many people play it! Maybe YOU are the problem?".

[einschwartz]

It sure is "fun" watching the rest of the group proceeding without needing healers.




The only reason tanks end up dead is due to physical vuln and ran out of heals/mitigations.

[SeverianLyonesse]

Problem with that is the concept of "fun" is extremely subjective, which is why many of us focus on "engagement". We just want something to do that isn't boring when there's no healing to be done.

I agree, and I think that "engagement" is a more objective way of framing it. And thankfully there are other people in this thread who seem to also be following that line of argument.

[Reiryuu]

I agree, and I think that "engagement" is a more objective way of framing it. And thankfully there are other people in this thread who seem to also be following that line of argument.

The only problem is that within the "vision" of healers, healing *is* the engagement. We'd have to get them to widen their view on the role of healers before any progress will be made in that area, I feel. And that is going to be hard to do.

[Silver-Strider]

The only problem is that within the "vision" of healers, healing *is* the engagement. We'd have to get them to widen their view on the role of healers before any progress will be made in that area, I feel. And that is going to be hard to do.

Make them repeat the same solo instance against Zenos in SB ad nauseam. If that doesn't make them understand, idk what will.