Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Minarisweet]

They're not healers though. They're players that don't like playing support but were lured in with the promise of "all you have to do is press a button every 30 sec and do mechanics and you'll get EX and Savage clears and people will think you're helping".

Healers were ripped away from the healer mains. Like many things in this game that were ripped away from the veterans who loved them and handed over to the people who disliked them to bolster participation. Many (not all) "healer mains" now are just leech mains.

It's most insulting when they post their rants about "dps healers not healing" because their co-heal wasn't blindly spamming Medica II when no one was in danger, or "if you want to dps go play dps" to players who are healing more efficiently than them and contributing a lot to killing the boss. That really rubs the salt into the wound when you do everything you can to support your groups and play well and Sir Succor takes a break from licking windows to talk down to you about being useful, then the actual developer of the game pats him on the head and says "that's right Timmy, you tell them!".

Healer should just passively pulse aoe heal and be renamed spectator or cheerleader at this point, throw pretense out the window and just let them tag along for the ride as the developers seem to intend.

This is how I feel about it too but I feel at this point its kinda beating around a dead horse, maybe im wrong and he'll say something about it next live letter but other old healer mains know better than me he only makes things worse.

[Atelier-Bagur]

This is how I feel about it too but I feel at this point its kinda beating around a dead horse, maybe im wrong and he'll say something about it next live letter but other old healer mains know better than me he only makes things worse.

Do you suppose it would be better if Yoshi-P gets replaced at this point? It seems a lot of people in the forum arent too happy with how the game is running from healing to story to overall content releases. People are acting like this game is just bad now

[Minarisweet]

Do you suppose it would be better if Yoshi-P gets replaced at this point? It seems a lot of people in the forum arent too happy with how the game is running from healing to story to overall content releases. People are acting like this game is just bad now

Yoship is a grey area for me I'd just like it if he didn't ignore healers but he is not the worst director either, but that's my opinion atleast.

Also I don't think anyone is saying the game is bad? A lot of people say x part of the game sucks or could've been done better but im pretty sure anyone in these forums giving their thoughts even if negative about the game likes the game and wants it to be better. I'll be kinda blunt for a sec tho but the people complaining about story kinda were too overhyped for ew lol.

[VerumNaos]

i still say the reason why most of shb story was well received was cause it had alot more freedom to build and to be on topic i do miss sb healer styles and broken bard.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Yoship is a grey area for me I'd just like it if he didn't ignore healers but he is not the worst director either, but that's my opinion atleast.

Also I don't think anyone is saying the game is bad? A lot of people say x part of the game sucks or could've been done better but im pretty sure anyone in these forums giving their thoughts even if negative about the game likes the game and wants it to be better. I'll be kinda blunt for a sec tho but the people complaining about story kinda were too overhyped for ew lol.

Im being melodramatic with that statement of course but yeah over the course of me spending time on these forums it just feels like in general people arent happy with the game, which what prompting me to think maybe we need a new switch of directors if Yoshi-P aint cutting it no more.

[Gemina]

Im being melodramatic with that statement of course but yeah over the course of me spending time on these forums it just feels like in general people arent happy with the game, which what prompting me to think maybe we need a new switch of directors if Yoshi-P aint cutting it no more.

My suggestion is spend more time in the game than on the forums if you feel this way. What you're hearing here is the hivemind's chorus. Granted, players come to the forums to vent their frustrations, which is all well and good as the game is not and never will be perfect. However, when it congregates into a pitchfork mob that shut out any and all voices trying to reason with them, and a demand for current team members to step down and away from their passion; it becomes something much different than that.

Those team members have contractual obligations, families, and livelihoods that make it difficult to part ways even if this is what one or more of them wanted. The same cannot be said for those who are unsatisfied to the point the game in no longer enjoyable. They can simply unsub. Otherwise, all they are doing is supporting a game, system, and dev team they are strictly against, which makes absolutely zero sense.

If you want to formulate your own impression of healing in FFXIV, I would pick one or more of them up, max them out, and take it/them into all kinds of content. A Newgame+ chapter or two, Hall of Novice, Squadrons/Trusts etc. are all viable along with raids. Once you do, you may very well develop the same opinion on healing as what rings in your ears. But at least it will be yours.

[Atelier-Bagur]

My suggestion is spend more time in the game than on the forums if you feel this way. What you're hearing here is the hivemind's chorus. Granted, players come to the forums to vent their frustrations, which is all well and good as the game is not and never will be perfect. However, when it congregates into a pitchfork mob that shut out any and all voices trying to reason with them, and a demand for current team members to step down and away from their passion; it becomes something much different than that.

Those team members have contractual obligations, families, and livelihoods that make it difficult to part ways even if this is what one or more of them wanted. The same cannot be said for those who are unsatisfied to the point the game in no longer enjoyable. They can simply unsub. Otherwise, all they are doing is supporting a game, system, and dev team they are strictly against, which makes absolutely zero sense.

If you want to formulate your own impression of healing in FFXIV, I would pick one or more of them up, max them out, and take it/them into all kinds of content. A Newgame+ chapter or two, Hall of Novice, Squadrons/Trusts etc. are all viable along with raids. Once you do, you may very well develop the same opinion on healing as what rings in your ears. But at least it will be yours.

Yeah Ive already have experience and play as healer (mostly white mage) from time to time. Thing is, I'm fine with how healing works, maybe its because I play on controller? so button presses feel a lot more better even if its mashing that one button for dps time? But I do understand that its odd...that healers dont get an extension to their dps skills even at higher levels and you get more healer abilities (which I get it, the role is called HEALER) and not enough support party wide buffing to weave in during their healer downtime.

I would certainly like to see many of them get a rework (although Astro is currently fine in my book. That class already has enough buttons)

[Laphicet]

Astro is currently fine in my book. That class already has enough buttons

Astro, the same class that had its lore retconned and outright disrespected through the reworks. The one who had its class quests ruined and characters botched due to altered and removed dialouge? The class that has abilities that outright contradict its own lore in the form of current cards and Neutral Sect? That astro is currently fine? Forget how many buttons it has, look at how much the class has been disrespected and dumbed down over the past few years. All the while the dev team never fix stuff like DRK's Living Dead because of "Job Identity" while they take a big fat shit all over Astrologian's job identity.

I would definitely not call Astro "fine". Functioning, yes, fine? Hell no.

[IDontPetLalas]

Yeah Ive already have experience and play as healer (mostly white mage) from time to time. Thing is, I'm fine with how healing works, maybe its because I play on controller? so button presses feel a lot more better even if its mashing that one button for dps time? But I do understand that its odd...that healers dont get an extension to their dps skills even at higher levels and you get more healer abilities (which I get it, the role is called HEALER) and not enough support party wide buffing to weave in during their healer downtime.

I would certainly like to see many of them get a rework (although Astro is currently fine in my book. That class already has enough buttons)

I don't see why:

1- your choice of input interface would reflect on how engaging the job is, which is what most of this post has been discussing. Whether i click my skills, use a controller, or keybind them- I'm going to choose the same skills
2- Astro being fine is highly debatable- in my opinion quantity does NOT necessarily = quality , there are skills in AST that can eliminated and skills for AST that could potentially be improved. AST should be busy, but those skills should pay off, there isn't always consensus that (for example) astrodyne or minor arcana really do.
3- finally, just because the role is called healer doesn't mean that we cannot, do not want to, or should not do other things. The role is called TANK but have you ever looked at how much healing can been done by them?

[Deceptus]

My suggestion is spend more time in the game than on the forums if you feel this way. What you're hearing here is the hivemind's chorus. Granted, players come to the forums to vent their frustrations, which is all well and good as the game is not and never will be perfect. However, when it congregates into a pitchfork mob that shut out any and all voices trying to reason with them, and a demand for current team members to step down and away from their passion; it becomes something much different than that.

Then there's the opposite end of the spectrum. The white knights who will defend every single action taken and that the dev team can do no wrong. They've been in this thread and countless others. That hivemind exists as well.

Those team members have contractual obligations, families, and livelihoods that make it difficult to part ways even if this is what one or more of them wanted. The same cannot be said for those who are unsatisfied to the point the game in no longer enjoyable. They can simply unsub. Otherwise, all they are doing is supporting a game, system, and dev team they are strictly against, which makes absolutely zero sense.

You realize you can enjoy a product overall but not certain aspects of it though right? Echo chambers exist because no one is willing to speak up and say something is wrong. Criticism is important because people who criticize care. If they didn't, they'd just leave.

Do you suppose it would be better if Yoshi-P gets replaced at this point? It seems a lot of people in the forum arent too happy with how the game is running from healing to story to overall content releases. People are acting like this game is just bad now

It's less he needs to be replaced and more than he needs to actually experience the game from a healer perspective. The last time he tried to explain his actions regarding healers (WHM's did the healing and SCH's just did damage), he was 100% flat out incorrect in his reasoning and proven wrong with data. That line sounded like it would come from someone with very little healer experience and was just repeating what he was told by someone else.

He never acknowledged his mistake, and I think that is one of the issues. They think they're infallible when it comes to certain aspects of the game design when it has been proven time and time again they simply aren't.