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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    If I could turn off specific sound effects, Medica II would be the first to go followed by EProg.
    I’m surprised Cure I/Physuck/Benefail isn’t on top of your list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    I’m surprised Cure I/Physuck/Benefail isn’t on top of your list.
    Only because I don't hear it nearly as often as I hear Medica IIs. And I didn't say I want to keep those sounds only that they're not top priority to get rid off
    I've had a couple of noodle heal spammers in SB/ ShB dungeons when leveling tank but by the gods, that Medica II spam... I had healers trying to heal wall to walls with Medica II.
    The only fun thing about it was trying to click off the regen of every unnecessary Medica II as fast as I could. Nice additional difficulty during NM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    Only because I don't hear it nearly as often as I hear Medica IIs. And I didn't say I want to keep those sounds only that they're not top priority to get rid off
    I've had a couple of noodle heal spammers in SB/ ShB dungeons when leveling tank but by the gods, that Medica II spam... I had healers trying to heal wall to walls with Medica II.
    The only fun thing about it was trying to click off the regen of every unnecessary Medica II as fast as I could. Nice additional difficulty during NM.
    Tbf, Medica II does have a higher cure potency than Cure 2 after level 85 and WHM doesn't have the toolkit of the other healers to manage without dipping periodically into their GCD heals so I can at least forgive the occasional Medica II but spamming it is annoying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    Tbf, Medica II does have a higher cure potency than Cure 2 after level 85 and WHM doesn't have the toolkit of the other healers to manage without dipping periodically into their GCD heals so I can at least forgive the occasional Medica II but spamming it is annoying.
    I'm aware that the total potency of Medica II outclasses Cure II at 85+.
    But you don't heal a wall to wall in any dungeon by spamming Medica II. Period. There is absolutely no excuse for it. None. I'll not bend over backwards and make mental gymnastics to come up with reasons why those poor WHMs might have thought it's a genius idea to spam a heal with initial potency of 200 (in the dungeons I've mentioned) and constantly clipping their own regen.
    Medica II ONLY has a higher potency than Cure II at 85+ AND when you get close to full duration of the regen instead of clipping it by spamming. Since neither was the case: no excuse.

    And making Medica II with full duration stronger in single target than Cure II was a gross oversight and it encourages to just put on regen, Medica II and spam Cure I while pretending to be so busy healing instead of using more useful skills.
    It's like Freecure 2.0. Because more traps was just what WHM needed.
    I doubt most WHMs that heard somewhere that Medica II is now stronger than Cure II will take the time to see where it applies.
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    Last edited by Rilifane; 03-18-2022 at 10:33 PM.

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    I'm honestly in favor of just sticking 30 second cooldowns on basic aoe GCD heals like Medica and 60 seconds on the big ones like Medica II. Tweak Ultimate and 4th boss Savage if necessary. 1000 total potency on all players with no cooldown is ridiculously strong and mana or the miniscule dps loss isn't much of a limitation, which leads to players leaning on GCD heals as a crutch and not bothering to learn or even use most of their toolkit. Why would they when spamming the same few GCD heal buttons works for them?

    GCD heals are simply too strong and always available, so it's no surprise inexperienced players just blindly churn them out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    Tbf, Medica II does have a higher cure potency than Cure 2 after level 85 and WHM doesn't have the toolkit of the other healers to manage without dipping periodically into their GCD heals so I can at least forgive the occasional Medica II but spamming it is annoying.
    But then Regen has a higher potency than Medica II, so if you're looking for a HoT you use Regen and if you need an immediate "tank is going to die" heal, you still have to Cure II.

    99% of the time it isn't a split second calculated decision that both the tank and group need healing but the tank will survive with a HoT. It's just blind spam in the vague hope the HoT will do something if damage happens, or worse, just pressing buttons to try and pretend to be useful.
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    Got E7N from roulette as a GNB. For some reason my brain just decide that matching colors would make sense. And apparently both healers also made same mistake. We wiped once. Second attempt things went ever so smoothly. That's definitely an embarrassing mistake to make.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    Only because I don't hear it nearly as often as I hear Medica IIs. And I didn't say I want to keep those sounds only that they're not top priority to get rid off
    I've had a couple of noodle heal spammers in SB/ ShB dungeons when leveling tank but by the gods, that Medica II spam... I had healers trying to heal wall to walls with Medica II.
    The only fun thing about it was trying to click off the regen of every unnecessary Medica II as fast as I could. Nice additional difficulty during NM.
    I still get the annoyance though. Just now I got out from being paired with Medica II bot WHM in E8N which I queued manually as an AST for a glam token & hopefully the orchestrion...
    Every instances of damage happening? Medica II. They ain't even letting the ticks do its magic. Absolute Zero? Medica II 3 times in a row. Light Rampant? Medica II 4 times in a row. Absolute Zero spam before intermission? Medica II---no wait, they can't. They ran out of MP. I don't even saw Thin Air. They typed in chat while the Gaia's scene was playing: "Haha sorry, I can't heal without MP xD".

    Oh Lord, how it pains me to notice all of these.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    Tbf, Medica II does have a higher cure potency than Cure 2 after level 85 and WHM doesn't have the toolkit of the other healers to manage without dipping periodically into their GCD heals so I can at least forgive the occasional Medica II but spamming it is annoying.
    I'd like to hazard a guess that not even these Medica II-bots realize that its total potency is larger than a shot of Cure II. They use it because it looks comfy/wowza, requires no target, and just hope for the best.
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    wanted to share this screencap I took a couple days ago from the 3rd nier raid lol, beautifully captioned in my channel with, "haha.. would never do a BLM so wrong like this.. just japes.."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padudu View Post


    wanted to share this screencap I took a couple days ago from the 3rd nier raid lol, beautifully captioned in my channel with, "haha.. would never do a BLM so wrong like this.. just japes.."
    I don't know who hurt this BLM but I'll gladly help to find the culprit.
    Reminds me of when a tank dropped his cleaving tankbuster inside my Leylines in Copied Factory. They had half the arena, plenty of room but nope.
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