World of Warcraft died because the developers only catered to casuals and world prog

[Imoye]

actrually lost ark is a good game its just meha for other reasons but honestly it has plenty of amazing concepts but it has major things i hate as well but honestly it is a good game (idk about new world) but its not that great.. just like black desert (is honestly amazing) but it destoryed itself with basicly p2w

I generally agree. Lost Ark has great combat, interesting raids and dungeons as well as fun PvP. However, progress in the entire game revolves around P2W through timegating, RNG and massive grinds. Thus, the game as a whole isn't good in my opinion; certain aspects of it are.

Playing the game is a constant chase to the top that never ends. It doesn't respect your time and it encourages whaling. Hard pass.

[hagare]

Wow, what did my character even do to deserve this!?

CONFESS!!!!!!!!!!!

Lalafells speak wisdom, we just don't speak as to WHEN this sort of thing will happen (trust me, not biased)

personally though, I don't think XIV is really that bad of a game lol. Problems, aplenty and definitely, but you'll get that with an old, PS3-era 10 year old game with code that's harder to work with every year. I think you could do worse though.

quiet Microdamus.
on that note, wonder if there are still playing on the PS3.

[Kolsykol]

Anyone who thinks D&D is not a story game is greatly mistaken. Every campaign is a different story.

Tbh I both agree and disagree.
Most people really just play DnD as a generic '' bonk evil wizard/ dragon or whatever on the head '', there's quite a lot of gatekeeping and people who have very low tolerance for DnD that doesn't just revolve around guys in google copy pasted armor going into a dungeon to slay a monster.
It really does just feel like an imaginary combat sim with dice sometimes or that's at least how a lot of people approach it.

And dear lawd forbid you want to play something that doesn't fit into a stereotypical generic archetype it really feels like every fighter, bard, thief, wizard or whatever are identical even down to their character designs.
If you've seen a wizard before you've basically seen them all, same with the rest too.

For a game that's supposed to be about story telling people have a pretty severe lack of imagination and acceptance towards anything that doesn't fit into the most generic DnD trope.

[Nekokaori]

Tbh I both agree and disagree.
Most people really just play DnD as a generic '' bonk evil wizard/ dragon or whatever on the head '', there's quite a lot of gatekeeping and people who have very low tolerance for DnD that doesn't just revolve around guys in google copy pasted armor going into a dungeon to slay a monster.
It really does just feel like an imaginary combat sim with dice sometimes or that's at least how a lot of people approach it.

And dear lawd forbid you want to play something that doesn't fit into a stereotypical generic archetype it really feels like every fighter, bard, thief, wizard or whatever are identical even down to their character designs.
If you've seen a wizard before you've basically seen them all, same with the rest too.

For a game that's supposed to be about story telling people have a pretty severe lack of imagination and acceptance towards anything that doesn't fit into the most generic DnD trope.

not even close to being true, unless you haven't even looked for a group many and many of dms highly encourage otherwise.. if that is what you believe you haven't even tried to find a good group, you probably just go with the 1st one you find lol

[Padudu]

quiet Microdamus.
on that note, wonder if there are still playing on the PS3.

listen here, I deserve a better "you're short" insult than this! I refuse to have the same nickname as the rocket in your pocket (ily fr i swear)

also nah, they ended support for PS3 a few years back, so unfortunately we're just stuck with PS3 era engine and graphics. makes me wonder when they'll cut PS4 support in favor of the PS5 lol

[DPZ2]

For a game that's supposed to be about story telling people have a pretty severe lack of imagination and acceptance towards anything that doesn't fit into the most generic DnD trope.

You've had the sad experience of truly bad DMs, I guess. I started playing D&D again about 5 years ago by joining in on Adventurers League gameplay, which is based on a set book for the multiple DMs who volunteer to run it. One year you're battling elemental cults intent on conquering the known world. Another year you're entering the first level of Hell in order to close a portal and save a city. Each of these campaigns is fully plotted and the driving storyline is peppered with any number of encounters that both drive the story forward and provide background to the world your character lives in.

When I started playing D&D there were no such books, but we still managed to move along in worlds where the term "campaign" described a series of wargames played out with miniatures on a sand table.

You've really had a bad time of it if you think that "If you've seen a wizard before you've basically seen them all". Perhaps I've been lucky to group with people who actually roleplay their characters at a level beyond "Me Barbarian. Me Smash". Perhaps it's being exposed to 50-odd people on any given evening when Adventurers Guild was being played (COVID really did a number on such things), each with different levels of skill in the art of roleplay, but every one of them more than the caricature of players you've presented.

And, perhaps, it's because I rarely ran 'dungeons'; instead using a variety of sources from genres such as Space Opera and early modern Adventurers and hardly any actual D&D back when the books read "Advanced D&D" on the covers.

The remainder of your comments suggest that you can't find MMOs much different. Stereotypical generic archetypes, identical character designs (even when there is a rich set of choices, the Meta Rules Above All), and gameplay styles that can only be relieved by choosing another MMO when you need a break because you've grown tired of current tropes.

[Moonsprite]

WoWs playerbase declined because of multiple issues. The first issue is always borrowed power systems and locking power behind covenants and legendaries that cost hundreds of thousand of gold in order to have a functional character. I shouldn’t have to buy $80 in tokens to buy something for my character to be relevant. The other is Raid or Mythic+ only mentality for the entire game. For pvp players are punished for not doing rated pvp. The whole game caters to maybe 5% of the games entire population. How many people actually like pushing keys and losing a key because someone d/c or leaves? They added valor currency only for people who raid or do mythic + but put it in callings so casuals can buy 20 pieces of leather lol? 9.2 might bring some people back for a few weeks, but with the addition of double legendaries, tier sets, and grinding out the new vault sockets, people will burn out and leave. The weekly vault is a chore and half the time doesn’t have upgrades at all.

[drtasteyummy]

I just don't know how anyone can seriously believe that wow died from too much casual, how can one with so much confidence be so dense.

[hagare]

listen here, I deserve a better "you're short" insult than this! I refuse to have the same nickname as the rocket in your pocket (ily fr i swear)

also nah, they ended support for PS3 a few years back, so unfortunately we're just stuck with PS3 era engine and graphics. makes me wonder when they'll cut PS4 support in favor of the PS5 lol

let it go. As apology, I'll even give you a ride.
Come here, hop into my pocket. (lyt xD)

huh. They cut off PS3 support the moment I left.
They gotta supply more PS5 first if they wanna cut off the PS4.

[Illmaeran]

makes me wonder when they'll cut PS4 support in favor of the PS5 lol

If I understood the last Live Letter correctly, 7.0 is for sure going to have PS4 support, but it may (likely will) end after that given the updates to graphics, but considering the availability of PS5 as well.

Yet another excuse to upgrade my computer.