Summoner rework is a huge dissapointment

[MrJPtheAssassin]

I'll say. I still prefer Summoner to Red Mage in term of "fun". Red Mage is brain dead to the same degree than Summoner. The problem is Summoner is just awful in raid right now. Damage aside, in occurred so many times that Verraise just saved my group a wipe. It is so reliable and on speed and optimization then I just play Black Mage. Why would I play Summoner?

Summoner is rigid, the swiftcast dps boost is unreliable in progression since you keep it for raises. You can raise once and then it's hard raise. DPS optimization is pretty awkward. The only thing that Summoner is doing good is to delay Phoenix by 2-3 GCD on darkflames because you can solo 2 dark flames on SMN.

The rigid gamerplay is an issue. Searing Light and anything related to Carbuncle is an issue. Hell, if you move you still get awkward delays on your Ahk Morn / Revelation. Carbuncle placement is stupid because it resets at any summon and you can't hold your stuff because its a huge damage loss. We already see it in savage, it'll probably be worst in Dragonsong Refrain.

I agree with you and feel the same. I've been playing rdm this tier bc of the rigid gameplay of smn and I will be honest I start to hate it. When I started this tier as rdm it felt alright and kinda fun but now Im slowly hating it and to be honest my motivation to raid is slowly dying v.v I will rather be playing rpr this tier anyway but my group already has a rpr and he is protective of the job and dont really want anyone else to play it in the group. Im starting to think about looking for a new group next tier if nothing is done about smn. Either way just a depressing expac for me and wish smn didnt feel like a unfinished job.

[Aikaal]

I agree with you and feel the same. I've been playing rdm this tier bc of the rigid gameplay of smn and I will be honest I start to hate it. When I started this tier as rdm it felt alright and kinda fun but now Im slowly hating it and to be honest my motivation to raid is slowly dying v.v I will rather be playing rpr this tier anyway but my group already has a rpr and he is protective of the job and dont really want anyone else to play it in the group. Im starting to think about looking for a new group next tier if nothing is done about smn. Either way just a depressing expac for me and wish smn didnt feel like a unfinished job.

RPR feels good but I did hear one complain from the reaper in my group. The whole concept is to build a triple Enshroud and 1 death basically kills 1k DPS usually.

RDM is reliable and safe to play. Hell, twice I cleared the door boss with both healer down and I double raised. SMN can't do that.

Caster choices, imho, feel this way.

- RDM - Safe and reliable prog caster that has a brain dead rotation but is still a caster.
- SMN - Safe and not reliable prog caster which induce frustrations in raid (I still like to play it but the frustration > the fun for me) Also, not really a caster anymore and people justify the damage nerf from that.
- BLM - Yoshida's baby. Will always be the top gun. Megumin memes. EXPLOSION. Not prog friendly unless you have someone playing RDM/SMN.

Just saying about... that *mobility is DPS gain* My friend was on Machinist and he moved away from my BLM so he kept my DPS up. His mobility was my Black Mage DPS gain.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

RPR feels good but I did hear one complain from the reaper in my group. The whole concept is to build a triple Enshroud and 1 death basically kills 1k DPS usually.

RDM is reliable and safe to play. Hell, twice I cleared the door boss with both healer down and I double raised. SMN can't do that.

Caster choices, imho, feel this way.

- RDM - Safe and reliable prog caster that has a brain dead rotation but is still a caster.
- SMN - Safe and not reliable prog caster which induce frustrations in raid (I still like to play it but the frustration > the fun for me) Also, not really a caster anymore and people justify the damage nerf from that.
- BLM - Yoshida's baby. Will always be the top gun. Megumin memes. EXPLOSION. Not prog friendly unless you have someone playing RDM/SMN.

Just saying about... that *mobility is DPS gain* My friend was on Machinist and he moved away from my BLM so he kept my DPS up. His mobility was my Black Mage DPS gain.

I don't know about the rpr thing. All I know is the balance says the triple enshroud isnt baseline so I wasnt even thinking about that. Either way I agree with you about the casters.