Summoner rework is a huge dissapointment

[Corbeau]

Probably because it's fun. It's like a ranged DPS with a dash of caster to plan around - adjusting button order fight-by-fight matters and is enjoyable, but the punishment for mistakes is relatively low. The only reason I'm not maining it anymore is that our static needed a replacement for another DPS player and could only find more summoner mains in our circle of acquaintances. People like the class, even if it could use a touch more spice yet.

[Rolder50]

I’m not disagreeing with every point, but summoner is more popular than it’s ever been lol. It’s still the most popular caster 3 months since the launch of endwalker.

Factually incorrect. If you look over at FF Logs, you can see how many times each class is represented in the raid. Red Mage has 68,233 parses, Summoner has 61,847 parses, Black Mage has 44,808. Summoner is behind Red Mage in every aspect; popularity, damage, utility, etc.

[Snowdove]

I’m not disagreeing with every point, but summoner is more popular than it’s ever been lol. It’s still the most popular caster 3 months since the launch of endwalker.

That's because you can literally roll your face on the keyboard and do a good job. I'd like to see at least a little complexity to the job.

[Rickar]

My thoughts as a casual, but veteran MMO player levelling.
1. Turning your summoned pet into a totem to summon others, and that just doesn't attack feels weird.
2. Without DoTs the aetheryte energy/fester/painflare all feel like leftovers that should of been changed.
3. I really really liked having egi assault 1&2 the whole dynamic felt really awesome to use.
4. Casting different flavors of ruin feels really dull, and not engaging
I can't speak at all for balance at all ofc being low level, but I really loved the old summoner. The person who constantly says it was "wowlock" well if it was it was the best version of it I played. Oh also as many people pointed out already without having your pet already being attacking, and in position the aoe egi-assaults don't function properly.

Anyways pretty bummed out about this thinking I'll probably switch to RDM or BLM, but I have heard it gets better as you get to 80~ 90~ but with my slow leveling speed that could take me forever lol.

[zcrash970]

Factually incorrect. If you look over at FF Logs, you can see how many times each class is represented in the raid. Red Mage has 68,233 parses, Summoner has 61,847 parses, Black Mage has 44,808. Summoner is behind Red Mage in every aspect; popularity, damage, utility, etc.

Wait until he learns how popular smn was before endwalker

[rewd]

Not to mention popularity doesn't really mean anything. WHM is the second most popular healer in savage (very close to SGE), and yet it should be reworked from level 1.

[Aikaal]

It's not popular in savage raid, will be even less in ultimate but casual just loves the overly simplify job. It's the White Mage syndrome. White Mage isn't liked in savage raid but super popular for casual content.

New Summoner is for casual, not a single dev considered the raiders and it feels bad. I went back to RDM and now I'm prepping my BLM for ultimate because I ain't using SMN for Ultimate.

[Karni]

I feel tic tac toe has more skill expression and depth compared to this current smn

[Ggwppino]

honestly I hope that with new patch 6.1 smn will be revisited but not only mathematically. On average it is considered an incomplete class for all the aspects that have been described on this thread, japanese thread but also on reddit. I hope that if it is incomplete it is because the designers and developers will work on it with the progress of the patches and will not leave it to itself.

[Jirah]

It's not popular in savage raid, will be even less in ultimate but casual just loves the overly simplify job. It's the White Mage syndrome. White Mage isn't liked in savage raid but super popular for casual content.

New Summoner is for casual, not a single dev considered the raiders and it feels bad. I went back to RDM and now I'm prepping my BLM for ultimate because I ain't using SMN for Ultimate.

Off topic but the game has a critically flawed game design issue with this need to please casuals and raiders but never really doing a logical job at it. Tainting a job for casuals should have never ever been considered and the content outside of savage hardly even requires a ounce of brain power that when someone finally heads to EX or savage they are turned around due to the game babysitting then for 90 levels. Sure the content is bland but when the job is bland your left with either high end content on a low end job, or low end content on a low end job. A lose-lose