World of Warcraft died because the developers only catered to casuals and world prog

[Imoye]

MMO RPGs generally are dying, people want to go back to quality singleplayer games that they can play at their own pace

There's really no evidence to support that claim. Every time a new MMO launches there's massive interest. New World and Lost Ark are the most recent examples. FFXIV is also doing better than ever and has consistently been gaining subs. Other games such as Elder Scrolls, GW2, Black Desert etc. retain solid player numbers. Little is different now from when WoW was dominant in terms of numbers. Back then, a large proportion of the genre's player base was consentrated in that single game, now it's more spread.

Also, people have been saying "MMOs are dying" since forever. The claim holds zero weight.

[Larirawiel]

MMO RPGs generally are dying, people want to go back to quality singleplayer games that they can play at their own pace, without five XxSephirothxXs jumping around and trying everything in the book to ruin their gameplay. The internet hype is over, today internet is everywhere, even for free. Back in the late 90s it was thrilling to go online, today you’re glad if no one bothers you through one of your perma-connected apps for 3 seconds.

Sorry, but MMO(RPG)s do better than ever. Just look how much hype and interest Lost Ark or New World had. The same with Endwalker. There were so many and long queues, that SQEX bought new servers and opened a new data center. And the remaining data centers will also get additional servers.

Cheers

[Scaramouche]

Sorry, but MMO(RPG)s do better than ever. Just look how much hype and interest Lost Ark or New World had. The same with Endwalker. There were so many and long queues, that SQEX bought new servers and opened a new data center. And the remaining data centers will also get additional servers.

Cheers

It most likely former WoW player trying to find a new "home" more than people being into mmo again.

[Thorio]

I don't get what this is all about. Define "mid-core"? I play for about 5 hours a day, am I one? Am I a casual? I dunno and I probably don't care as long as I'm having fun.

[Scaramouche]

I don't get what this is all about. Define "mid-core"? I play for about 5 hours a day, am I one? Am I a casual? I dunno and I probably don't care as long as I'm having fun.

He is talking about the players that aren't donkeys but aren't Mozart either. Which is the majority of mmo players.

[VelKallor]

WoW also has a bad habit of not only retconing in game but in its novels and comics too. Nearly all the "big events" and the such happen in books 99% of the playerbase never read. Heck, Warlords of Draenor plot starts through a novel and in game the players have no idea what's happening other than they need to go after an escaped Garrosh by jumping into this randomly opened portal. Furthermore, Thrall cheated iin the fight and he put Garrosh in a position he didn't want yet Thrall is never called out on anything.

"Any MMO that cant tell its story ingame without the player needing to buy a dozen books has utterly failed"

[LeonKeyh]

"Any MMO that cant tell its story ingame without the player needing to buy a dozen books has utterly failed"

I hope I "fail" like WoW has. I'll take $9,230,000,000 and be considered a "failure."

[Nekokaori]

Guess what, the majority of your playerbase is midcore. Not casual players who have a panic attack when they need to use more than three buttons on their hotbars. Not hardcore players who clear the tier in 16 hours.

Square Enix is on the same trajectory as Blizzard. The sad thing is that the playerbase refuses to see this because of all the blind hype, and this same thing happened in WoW - people couldn't fathom the thought that WoW could be getting worse.

I believe most midcore players will be happy with healers that can do more than two button rotations, for example. People do have brain cells in this game.

FF14 is clearly not catering to the world prog players. So the problem really is the incessant catering of casual players. This will eventually lead to FF14's decline, when you adjust content schedule and delivery to cater to the lowest common denominator, making the traditional midcore crowd dissatisfied and leave. Only reason this is obfuscated is because of all the influx. This game right now is full of new players that have no understanding of the game and have barely participated in the game for more than a tier. And even then I know plenty of WoW players who have quit after literally just one tier because the drought is even worse than in WoW.

People mock WoW's peaks and falls between expansions, but FF14's drops are bigger, sometimes by 50%.

lol wow didnt counter to casual lol at all it made you waste hours and hours and hours all day every day every night every hour every second if u missed one day you were screwed until the next expansion tbh not only that the only story content in the entire game is locked into raids and all that lol so no wows declain was it only countered to neckbeards and overweight ppl who never went outside.

not even everquest or dark age of camelot was as punishing to "casual players" as wow was lol

also btw casual doesnt mean bad plenty of 'casual players" are on way more than hardcore ones and tbh have way more skill just hate working with others or have social anxiety, or both tbh and would gladly play harder stuff if they could do so alone *this coming from someone who plays plenty of very very very hard games solo and can handle it. I just cant handle ppl lol outside rp or if i have things in common with them

[Ronduwil]

WoW's story is complex. After WotLK, Blizzard went to great lengths to casualize the game and basically turned it into a queue simulator where gear was thrown at you for free.

You must not have played the game in the last eight years. M+ is not available via a queue, and you have to work your key up to 10 or higher to get raid gear. The stuff available before then is vastly inferior, as is anything available via a queue. If you're going to (incorrectly) accuse WoW of casualizing the game, you should at least take the trouble to understand how it's working right now. You weren't even correct about Cataclysm. The gear you got from queueing topped out at 346 upon release (with raid gear starting at 359), and even after they released the much harder troll heroics, it still only capped out at 353 despite the content being on par in difficulty with raids that were dropping 378 gear. I agree that WoW has sub-par worldbuilding and that it's a terrible game in its current state, though. That's because of the lack of casual content, not the abundance of it.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

That's an understatement. WoW players have been blindsided finding out that Sylvannas has a brother lmao.
Kind of the consequence of having the lore from outside materials.

They're also blindsided that apparently everyone was under mind control by the Jailer at some point or another, the Jailer is responsible for every event, and that Sylvanas apparently had her soul split off-screen so they could give her a pass for every evil deed she did because "an evil man made her do it" and "she was crazy at the time".

And what's with all the Windrunner sisters having a Human white dude as their lover? Are the Devs just self-inserting themselves into romancing the Windrunners?