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  1. #41
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amon-ster View Post
    I'd honestly just lean on the don't play it side of the argument. Or figure out a different way to play it. Getting a 12 button mouse, swapping over to controller to learn how to play over there. There are options to overcome it if one is deadset on playing a high APM class. You'll just have to adjust to the game rather than waiting for the game to adjust to you. Because, as some people have said in this thread, the high rate of actions is a huge positive to some players.

    12 button mmo mouse or swapping to a controller for sure.
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  2. #42
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    Oh boy, if you think FFXIV jobs have high APM, I would hate to see you play any other game that has a faster GCD.

    Even with OGCD's, FFXIV's gameplay is still relatively slow compared to most games out there. It's something you get used to, and I've come to appreciate the slower GCD vs mechanics playstyle rather than the less mechanically heavy faster fights that other games have. But outside of movement it's still a rather slow game from a strictly combat/button pushing perspective.
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    Adorable creatures with unacceptable features!

  3. #43
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    Syphin Aes
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima View Post
    FASTro opener would like a word with you. Along with DRG, NIN, GNB, and DRK(very high APM opener) to note the worst offenders.
    Even if you double weave the the entire first minute (which no one does), that's three actions every 2.5 seconds, or 72 APM. That falls between "casual" and "experienced" for SC2.

    Fix your keybinds or buy a gamepad like the Tartarus, which is what I did because I'm getting old.
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  4. #44
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by SyphinAes View Post
    Even if you double weave the the entire first minute (which no one does), that's three actions every 2.5 seconds
    More than that, for every instance of play, you can add 2, in switching from the boss to a dps, then back to the boss, 3 times. AST's APM isn't consistently high, like many jobs in the game, it's low outside of burst windows and gets higher during bursts. Unlike what Ransu claimed, AST's opener isn't "extremely low" APM.
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  5. #45
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    Fransisco Acutus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    I have enough 90's to say it yes. The APM requirement in this game is not that high.
    Apparently not any of the ones that have so many buttons.
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  6. #46
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadman1204 View Post
    Apparently not any of the ones that have so many buttons.
    I have all the melee dps at 90 minus Ninja and I dont think I will ever take that job beyond 70 or wherever I left it off at because I just dislike how clunky it feels with mudras. I don't count my SMN because....well its kinda brain dead easy to play.

    The most "intense" opener is not even above 50 CPM. Sorry, not sorry, but the APM requirements in this game are extremely low. Everything in this game can be done easily on a controller, so if you're struggling with keybinds on a keyboard then switch to a controller. Otherwise stop clicking and start using keybinds because not a single opener in this game is super demanding. Even with all the oGCD spam this game's combat is SLOW.
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  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    APM requirements for any opener in FFXIV is extremely low.....
    This is true for most jobs but having played drg personally in high end I know how busy it can get in its rotation (the opener is not that busy tbf, busy part is life of the dragon)... I wouldn't like for them to reduce the apm too much tho I'd say maybe change it so the new lvl 90 skill takes 3 charges to use and rise the potency, but that's what I feel makes it so busy anyways.
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  8. #48
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minarisweet View Post
    This is true for most jobs but having played drg personally in high end I know how busy it can get in its rotation (the opener is not that busy tbf, busy part is life of the dragon)... I wouldn't like for them to reduce the apm too much tho I'd say maybe change it so the new lvl 90 skill takes 3 charges to use and rise the potency, but that's what I feel makes it so busy anyways.
    The positionals can be annoying, but honestly HW was peak DRG. Modern DRG is super simple in comparison.

    And 3 charges for Wyrmwind Thrust? Why? its every other rotation.
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    Last edited by Ransu; 03-15-2022 at 08:49 AM.

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    How did I solve hand pain? I use Corsair K70 Mk.2 RGB Low Profile. This keyboard is extremely sensitive. Rapid fire is a boon. It is prone to typing errors though. Have to get used to it at start.

    For long period of using Dual Sense and Xbox controller, I just lay it on my table or thigh. Your hands is not designed to carry weight continuously.
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    Last edited by TristanX; 03-15-2022 at 09:57 AM.

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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    My old keyboard was a k70. It had a crazy high actuation point. I liked it at first, but those keys would actuate when you barely pressed them. Started to drive me mad lol.
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